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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 17:07:53 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Oct 27 16:47:12 2016. These are civil suits, not criminal. I never said they would stand a chance of winning. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 17:09:36 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Oct 27 16:44:29 2016. Yes it matters. They can't sue C-Town for closing their store. They are in business to make money. But they can say the government has to work for them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 27 18:06:17 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 17:09:36 2016. TNHIW. You can't just sue the state or a state agency because you feel like it. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Oct 27 18:28:18 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 27 16:48:53 2016. Sorry about that. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Oct 27 18:28:31 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 17:07:53 2016. Point taken. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Oct 27 18:39:39 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 17:09:36 2016. The government has to work for all. Practically everything the government does will result in "victims" somewhere. If they close a block I regularly drive down so they can put in a public park, or if they add or increase tolls to fund public transit or whatever, I can't demand payback for time/money lost.Eventually I have to accept the fact that something is happening for the (apparent) good of the city in general at my expense. I have to hope that I will benefit from other government actions at others' expense to even things out. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 18:54:11 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 27 18:06:17 2016. True, but one can try to do some regression analysis to make a financial case that a large service change had an impact on real estate values. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:10:02 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 08:46:46 2016. No they aren't. They are clueless while I am cluefull. You're delusional. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:11:11 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 09:00:08 2016. But I do know the history. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:11:29 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 08:50:34 2016. Bump |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:11:55 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 27 11:43:14 2016. IAWTP |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:12:23 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 11:37:50 2016. That's some dumb logic there son. Good work. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:17:04 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Oct 27 16:31:23 2016. Pwn3d |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:18:19 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 18:54:11 2016. Retail estate values are not a guarantee or a right. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:20:37 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 16:39:10 2016. So what? BrooklynBus gets letters to the editor published in various newspapers. So not everything you read is necessarily true. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:20:48 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 16:11:56 2016. Lol!! |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 19:23:00 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:18:19 2016. People can claim financial harm when they are trying to sell. You'd have to get a lawyer willing to take the case and crunch the numbers. And it still may all be all for naught. Don't under-estimate how litigious people are. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 19:26:15 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:20:37 2016. I was talking about articles, not letters to the editor, which are often garbage. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 20:43:55 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 19:26:15 2016. BrooklynBus says they don't publish garbage don't you're disagreeing with him. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 20:44:51 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 19:23:00 2016. No, not necessarily. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 27 21:23:04 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 18:54:11 2016. Sure they can. So what? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 28 00:05:00 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 27 19:26:15 2016. BrooklynBus says they don't publish garbage so you're disagreeing with him. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 28 00:05:17 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 27 21:23:04 2016. pwn3d |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Oct 28 13:29:49 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 23:18:14 2016. IAWTLOL!Does that phrase mean: I agree with the laughing out loud? Just wondering. Mike |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 28 13:31:32 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Michael549 on Fri Oct 28 13:29:49 2016. Yes |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 28 17:12:30 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 26 13:56:45 2016. What comes to my mind here is the experement of making 61St Woodside a local only stop in both directions in the mid 1970s. The expresses would run from Junction Blvd. to QBP with the expresses highballing thru crowded Woodside platforms, leaning on their horn with several short toots & often going faster than they should.The locals folks & LIRR transfers screamed like hell. Then local congressman Ed Fowley threatened a class action suit against the MTA to right the wrong. Woodside & LIRR commuters rolled up their sleeves. To shorten the story, the MTA caved before any hearings commenced & Woodside was restored to express stop status. I don't know if that would qualify as a "precedent". I'll accept the legal minds opinion that post here to supply an answer. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 28 17:46:34 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 20:43:55 2016. I have no opinion on BB at all. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 28 18:00:16 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 27 21:23:04 2016. To make a correlation and cause/effect case they were financially harmed. No lawyer would touch it without a financial/statistician type to research it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 28 18:06:40 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 28 17:12:30 2016. I had forgotten all about that.They did it because some scheduling nerd thought #7 expresses stopping at Woodside would foul the local/express merge west of 33/Rawson. That is a 5 minute lengthening of running time for Woodside, a 50% service slash, and also affecting LIRR transfers who did not do Hunterspoint, which became harder once Ronkonkoma electrification was done. But, there you go, degrade service, expect trouble. Since the MTA caved, no legal precedent was established. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Oct 28 18:09:23 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 28 18:00:16 2016. But even if they are financially harmed, the MTA defense can be:1. We serve all the public. Some may get disadvantaged but we used our business judgment to do the best overall. 2. There is no statute that allows you to sue us for this sort of damage. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 28 18:12:11 2016, in response to Re: Queens Boulevard during (L) shutdown, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 28 18:09:23 2016. True. I never said this was a slam dunk for the plaintiff.But look at the Woodside example that some else brought up. Class action was threatened over a local/express issue --> MTA backed down. |
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