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Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri Oct 21 21:51:33 2016 Opening Date Is Now March 2018 |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Oct 21 22:13:30 2016, in response to Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by heypaul on Fri Oct 21 21:51:33 2016. Well, maybe not "rebored," but folks, he's not kidding this time-- they really fouled up even if they have to shave parts of the tunnel. I appreciate that they tested 75' cars even if they don't plan to use them, but why was the geometry cut so close to the bone? Would it have cost that much more to add plenty of wiggle room? |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 21 22:41:40 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Oct 21 22:13:30 2016. Sounds to me that what they're really talking about is incorrect placement of trackside furniture. I would be amazed if anything was actually rebored. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri Oct 21 22:43:23 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Oct 21 22:13:30 2016. It's a good thing that they didn't scrap XC 675 |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 21 22:56:29 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by heypaul on Fri Oct 21 22:43:23 2016. They didn't? |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Oct 21 23:16:54 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Oct 21 22:13:30 2016. The R-44's were specifically designed to run on the Second Avenue Subway of the 1970's. How ironic! |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Oct 22 00:16:35 2016, in response to Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by heypaul on Fri Oct 21 21:51:33 2016. WMATA had a similar issue at the point where the bored tunnels south of Union Station met the cut and cover tunnels under E Street. It was discovered that the center line of the tunnel segments were off by 2". Adjustments were made during track laying.There have been multiple incidents where the feeler car made contact with track side fixtures protruding into the load gauge envelope. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:39:49 2016, in response to Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by heypaul on Fri Oct 21 21:51:33 2016. Sounds like a Montague rebuild type fuck up. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:41:32 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by northshore on Fri Oct 21 23:16:54 2016. They could have sent 5240 up there to test it out. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 22 14:33:43 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:39:49 2016. Fortunately 75' cars, unlike the R32s, are projected to be around for 20 more years at least, so they actually bothered to fix it. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 22 15:12:48 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 22 14:33:43 2016. It’s too bad they were able to make quick fixes to the rest of the system to accommodate the longer cars. If that hadn’t been possible there would be no 75 ft cars on the NYCTS and that would be a good thing! |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 22 15:18:01 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 22 15:12:48 2016. I'm thinking the opposite - until they go open gangway, they should have gone 75' every possible place they could. So I would have made every 5 car set of 60'ers a 4 car set of 75'ers, with 5 doors per side and with R16 style seating. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Oct 22 15:30:24 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 22 15:12:48 2016. No! The 75' foot cars have much more comfortable transverse seating. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 22 16:30:31 2016, in response to Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by heypaul on Fri Oct 21 21:51:33 2016. Weren't the 75'cars purchased specifically for the SAS? 😆 |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 22 17:46:02 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Dan on Sat Oct 22 15:30:24 2016. "The 75' foot cars have much more comfortable transverse seating."Couldn't a 60' car be built or even retrofitted with transverse seating? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 18:23:41 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 22 17:46:02 2016. The R1 thru R11 and R16 proved it can. MTA is not interested. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 23 10:11:20 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 22 17:46:02 2016. Who even wants transverse seating? The cars are better without it.ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 23 10:15:28 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 23 10:11:20 2016. Who even wants transverse seating?Evidently Dan does. I like it on occasion, when I really want a seat. For a given level of crowding you have more chance of getting a seat when there is transverse seating. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 11:26:02 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 23 10:15:28 2016. People stick their feet out in the aisles. When MTA wants to boast of the increased capacity of a car with bowling alley seats, they show you an empty car, not a crowded train with feet sticking out. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by priya12 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 11:26:02 2016. The MTA does not have some sort of sinister ulterior motive for the use of bench seating...Fact is, bowling alley seating does offer more capacity. This has been proven by decades of research and studies in the field. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 23 11:50:53 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by priya12 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2016. mthrfking pwn3d. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 23 11:54:21 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 11:26:02 2016. Wrong! You hardly ever come to NYC because it is too expensive for you! You don't know how to navigate lower Manhattan and you don't bring your smartphone with you when you do come here so you're always getting lost! So you have no idea what the NYC Subway is like during rush hour. Why don't you stay out of this discussion and leave it to the people WHO ACTUALLY ARE OR WERE ABLE TO MAKE A LIVING WORKING IN NYC! We ride the subway daily. In rush hour. We know how it is. YOU don't! |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 23 12:10:49 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 23 10:11:20 2016. Um, no. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 23 12:18:34 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by priya12 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2016. Fact is, bowling alley seating does offer more capacity. This has been proven by decades of research and studies in the fieldAmusing. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 23 12:19:03 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 23 11:50:53 2016. Sorry, but ad verecundiam is not pwn4g3 but a f4ll4cy. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 12:22:45 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 23 11:54:21 2016. Go Fuck yourself.You don't get to decide who is here and have no clue how often I go to the city. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 14:00:14 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 23 11:54:21 2016. There are plenty of non-subway commuters on the board.There are also packed trains non rush hours. Walking once about 5 minutes out of my way once out of my way is not "always getting lost". OTOH, You a need a Smartphone on you at all times because you are basically STUPID. You don't commute on Nassau County buses. That does not keep you from making stupid remarks without any substantiation. You are here as a troll to insult people as you are an attention whore. It also does not take a proctologist to see a big, sore ASSHOLE. It was most pleasant here for the day and a half around Yom Kipper when you could not be around. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 23 16:53:43 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 18:23:41 2016. Correct. If the MTA had decided to order more 75 ft cars, they would have had the same side seating as the R-160s. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 23 17:07:12 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 22 16:30:31 2016. They were, and they were deigned and built before much of the SAS construction was even started so that’s less of an excuse for the SAS not to be able to accommodate 75 ft cars since the dimensions of the cars were known ahead of time so unlike the rest of the iND and BMT, there should have been no need to modify the tunnels.. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 23 17:08:42 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 23 12:19:03 2016. Wrong |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 23 17:09:26 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 12:22:45 2016. Haha you lose!!!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 23 17:10:45 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 14:00:14 2016. Do you get raped semi-weekly by large men?? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 17:36:41 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 23 17:10:45 2016. Nope. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Oct 23 17:37:30 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 14:00:14 2016. About time other people called him what he is,other than me.Damn. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 17:38:58 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 23 17:07:12 2016. Montague all over again, and they had SMEE cars right up the track at Broad Street that can't fit. No excuse either. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Oct 23 17:52:43 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 23 17:07:12 2016. The R44/46 cars were designed and built for SAS service.R44s were designed in the very late 60s,with the first shells built by 1970. If plans had gone accordingly, with ALL RAIL CARS,and lines purchased/built ...the R1 to 9 cars would have dissapeared sooner than they did,the 75ft cars would never been seen on the original trunk lines,operating solely on SAS Trunk and branch routes. |
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Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 17:55:41 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Edwards! on Sun Oct 23 17:37:30 2016. Hah. I thought I was the only one.At this point in life, I don't think he can learn adult social skills. |
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Posted by bigbusdriver on Mon Oct 24 08:04:29 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 23 17:10:45 2016. Do you get raped semi-weekly by large men??Why would you even ASK such a question?? Unless you wanted to compare YOUR schedule of getting raped with someone else's.... hmmmm...... |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 24 18:35:50 2016, in response to Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by heypaul on Fri Oct 21 21:51:33 2016. It's coming soon!! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 24 18:45:42 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 24 18:35:50 2016. Crews are now being qualified on the route. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 24 18:49:34 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 24 18:45:42 2016. How often does an R68 slip onto the Q train ? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 24 19:11:46 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 23 10:11:20 2016. Who even wants transverse seating? The cars are better without it.... said no one ever. If you ask people which method they would prefer to eek out extra capacity and offered: 1. Bowling alley seats 2. Open Gangway trains 3. More frequent trains 4. Adding another car to the train As options, no one would choose option 1. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 24 20:38:36 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 17:55:41 2016. He already had them at one point. He just needs to relearn them. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Tue Oct 25 03:18:50 2016, in response to Re: Current Second Ave Tunnels Have to Be Rebored to Allow Passage of 75' Cars, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 23 17:10:45 2016. You need the shit slapped out of you, you little pussy. I don't know who I want to punch more. Your parents for raising such a dick, or you. |
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