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Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 24 08:56:38 2016

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Tuscarora Almanac - September 24, 1939 - The Book of Last Runs / The Book of First Runs

The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad closes the 28th Street - 6th Avenue Station in Manhattan. On the same day the new terminal called "33rd Street" opens for service.
It is actually located at 32nd Street and replaces the original 33rd Street Terminal which was demolished during the construction of the IND 6th Avenue Subway.

Tuscarora Almanac – September 24, 1949 – The Book of Last Runs

Lehigh Valley Transit discontinues service over the Philadelphia & Western Railway between Norristown and Upper Darby, Pennsylvania. Service between Allentown and Norristown will continue for two more years.

Source: “Lehigh Valley Transit In Color” (Morning Sun Books / 2011) by Mr. Douglas E. Peters

Larry, RedbirdR33


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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 24 10:49:36 2016, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 24 08:56:38 2016.

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Tuscarora Almanac - September 24, 1939 - The Book of Last Runs / The Book of First Runs

The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad closes the 28th Street - 6th Avenue Station in Manhattan. On the same day the new terminal called "33rd Street" opens for service.
It is actually located at 32nd Street and replaces the original 33rd Street Terminal which was demolished during the construction of the IND 6th Avenue Subway.


When PATH had RFW's, I remember seeing the remnant of the 28th St. station after leaving 33rd St. When approaching where 28th St station was, the benchwall would raise to platform level and return to a lower position after leaving the ghost station.

H&M just built a concrete wall where the station platform was. I'll bet the old station is behind that wall. What say you tunnelrat ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 24 18:50:59 2016, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 24 08:56:38 2016.

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Looked like
COMING

and going.







1931 - Lehigh Valley Transit Trolley Freightt and 812 at Aineyville Junction


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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 24 19:16:53 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 24 10:49:36 2016.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 24 19:30:53 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 24 18:50:59 2016.

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Thanks for the pictures.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 25 08:54:58 2016, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 24 08:56:38 2016.

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And on this date in 1969, the Mets clinched the NL East with a 6-0 win over the Cardinals. I remember that as though it were yesterday.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by chud1 on Sun Sep 25 09:52:33 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 24 18:50:59 2016.

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5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling sgars for these pictures.
chud1.
:).....

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by chud1 on Sun Sep 25 09:53:43 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 24 19:16:53 2016.

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5 drooling stars out of 5 droolinbg stars for these pictures.
chud1.
:).....

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 14:01:49 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 24 19:16:53 2016.

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What I notice from the photos of the old H&M cars is that the “black” cars seemed to have originally been painted white which obviously didn’t last too long.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Sep 25 21:23:34 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 24 19:16:53 2016.

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Did one conductor operate all of the doors on those first H&M cars?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 26 09:01:43 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Sep 25 21:23:34 2016.

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Good qustion! Hate to admit it, but I never really read/researched what Conductor arrangements were for pre-war H&M door control operation. Seeing later pictures, of the pre-war stock, 1940s-1960s I always assumed that these cars were MUDC, and that they were delivered that way.

probably Electric Railway Journal from these early years has articles about these crears

nycsubway.org has reprinted an article from Electric Railway Journal for 1911 (no month or issue/vol. # given) on the second group of cars ordered for the H&M from in 1911 (701-736 [H&M]; 1901-1960 [MP 38's for PRR]) - both manuf. by Pressed Steel Car Co.

"Steel Cars for the Newark Extension of the Hudson Tubes" (1911)

URL:
http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Steel_Cars_for_the_Newark_Extension_of_the_Hudson_Tubes_(1911)

Excerpt below re - door control:

Other special equipment includes Consolidated Car Heating Company's electrically controlled, pneumatic door-operating devices and train-signal system. The doors are controlled by push buttons on the vestibule center posts. The center side door on each side may be opened or closed from either end of the car, and a push button is also provided on the outside of the car on one of the door posts, by means of which a platform man can close the door independently of the trainmen.

also, paragraphs below from:

Rules and Regulations for the ... Operating Department of the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad Company · Effective October 1st, 1923
(included at nycsubway.org)

URL: http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Hudson_and_Manhattan_Rules_and_Regulations_(1923)#Trainmen:_Conductors.2C_Collectors.2C_Flagmen_and_Guards


322. [p81] Trainmen must not stand astride two cars while trains are in motion, except when taking their position in readiness to open car doors at stations.

AND:

326. To open each door, trainmen will first with thumb press door lock push button, thus unlocking the door, and while holding the push button to the unlocked position with the thumb, pull the door opening switch lever with other fingers. Should the door fail to open immediately following this operation, push the door operating switch lever to the closed position then repeat the opening process.

327. The door is closed by the door operating switch lever only, and the lock push button is not used in closing doors.

The above material from the 1911 car article, and the 1923 Rule Book, still does not make it completely clear what the actual door control operating configuration was for the conductors.

It sounds as though there might have been a conductor for each car*, operating end and side doors from the vestibule controls, or possibly one conductor operating doors for two cars (re: rule book paragraph #322 above).

*like the AB's prior to MUDC conversion during the 1920s.

I'm wondering if, like the IRT & BMT, the H&M post 1923 converted their fleet to MUDC. need to look further for this, as well as door control arrangements for the first group of cars ordered 1908 - 1910 (Types A, B, & C)
all info. from nycsubway.org

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Sep 26 14:05:06 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 24 19:30:53 2016.

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Always my pleasure. Each is worth a thousand words, or in Chud's case, gallons.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by chud1 on Mon Sep 26 15:24:35 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Sep 26 14:05:06 2016.

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IAWTP!
chud1.
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