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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24

Posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 26 09:01:43 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 24, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Sep 25 21:23:34 2016.

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Good qustion! Hate to admit it, but I never really read/researched what Conductor arrangements were for pre-war H&M door control operation. Seeing later pictures, of the pre-war stock, 1940s-1960s I always assumed that these cars were MUDC, and that they were delivered that way.

probably Electric Railway Journal from these early years has articles about these crears

nycsubway.org has reprinted an article from Electric Railway Journal for 1911 (no month or issue/vol. # given) on the second group of cars ordered for the H&M from in 1911 (701-736 [H&M]; 1901-1960 [MP 38's for PRR]) - both manuf. by Pressed Steel Car Co.

"Steel Cars for the Newark Extension of the Hudson Tubes" (1911)

URL:
http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Steel_Cars_for_the_Newark_Extension_of_the_Hudson_Tubes_(1911)

Excerpt below re - door control:

Other special equipment includes Consolidated Car Heating Company's electrically controlled, pneumatic door-operating devices and train-signal system. The doors are controlled by push buttons on the vestibule center posts. The center side door on each side may be opened or closed from either end of the car, and a push button is also provided on the outside of the car on one of the door posts, by means of which a platform man can close the door independently of the trainmen.

also, paragraphs below from:

Rules and Regulations for the ... Operating Department of the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad Company · Effective October 1st, 1923
(included at nycsubway.org)

URL: http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Hudson_and_Manhattan_Rules_and_Regulations_(1923)#Trainmen:_Conductors.2C_Collectors.2C_Flagmen_and_Guards


322. [p81] Trainmen must not stand astride two cars while trains are in motion, except when taking their position in readiness to open car doors at stations.

AND:

326. To open each door, trainmen will first with thumb press door lock push button, thus unlocking the door, and while holding the push button to the unlocked position with the thumb, pull the door opening switch lever with other fingers. Should the door fail to open immediately following this operation, push the door operating switch lever to the closed position then repeat the opening process.

327. The door is closed by the door operating switch lever only, and the lock push button is not used in closing doors.

The above material from the 1911 car article, and the 1923 Rule Book, still does not make it completely clear what the actual door control operating configuration was for the conductors.

It sounds as though there might have been a conductor for each car*, operating end and side doors from the vestibule controls, or possibly one conductor operating doors for two cars (re: rule book paragraph #322 above).

*like the AB's prior to MUDC conversion during the 1920s.

I'm wondering if, like the IRT & BMT, the H&M post 1923 converted their fleet to MUDC. need to look further for this, as well as door control arrangements for the first group of cars ordered 1908 - 1910 (Types A, B, & C)
all info. from nycsubway.org

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