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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 27 07:54:48 2016 Tuscarora Almanac - August 27, 1976 - The Book of Last Runs This will be the last day of operation of the "EE" Queens - Broadway Local which ran between Forest Hills and Whitehall Street (via the 60 St Tunnel) on weekdays from 6 AM to 8 PM which rush hour short turns at Canal Street. The last northbound "EE" left Whitehall Street at 7:56 PM with R-16's (n) 6432,6441,6416,6491,6398,6430,6419,6482. The last southbound "EE" arrived at Canal Street at 8:20PM and had R-38's (s) 4031-4030, 4087-4086, 4066-4067and 4050-4051. It will also be the last day of the "K" Bway / Bkyln - 6th Avenue Local which ran during rush hours between Eastern Parkway and 57 Street / 6 Avenue. The consist of the last "K" train was (n/57) R-9 1734,1722,1659, R-7 1491, R-9 1777,1689,1713, R-7 1476. The demise of the "K" also meant the end of regular train service over the two track connection between the IND Broadway - Lafayette Street Station and the BMT Essex Street Station. Service over this route began on July 1, 1968 with some fanfare by the "KK" train. It came to an end eight years later. It would be thirty four years before service would be restored over this connection by the "M" train allowing long-sundered families in Brooklyn and Manhattan to unite with their loved ones. On a personal note I will say that the Service Changes of August 1976 more than any other signaled the end of the hope and dreams that opening of the Chrystie Street Subway had promised. The subway was in a long downward spiral into The Pit and no one knew where it would end. Nearly every surface on the system albeit a station or a car was covered by graffiti. Maintenance was at an all time low and breakdowns were commonplace as were track fires. Crime was your constant companion. Even the car builder didn't seem to know how to build cars anymore. The R-44's in there early days were prone to electrical fires and the R-46's wheel truck had a bad habit of cracking. The last of the original owner cars, the R- 1/9's perhaps sensing the turmoil would bow out a year later. On the IRT the mighty Redbirds would struggle to hold the line but they took a heavy beating. On the BMT and IND the R-27's and R-30's along with their younger siblings the R-32's would wage the battle. The R-27's would burn themselves out in the process but the R-32's would live to see another day. And let’s not forget the trains crews and other TA personnel who had to work in this environment every day. The subway system finally reached rock bottom on January 13, 1981. On that day 2,117 cars, almost one third of the fleet could not answer the call to service. The greatest subway system in the world had been brought to its knees through years of neglect and deferred maintenance and even the staunchest rail-fans had doubts if it would come back. 1982 saw a turn around in attitudes and thinking both in the city and the MTA. The subway system is New York City's most valuable asset and people began to realize it. New and rebuilt cars strengthened the fleet. Maintenance was vastly improved. Cars and station were cleaned and washed. It took about several years but the subway like the city did come back. Sources: New York Division Bulletin / August 1976. “ New York Subways” (John Hopkins University Press / 2004) by Mr.Gene Sansone Tuscarora Almanac - August 27, 2001 - The Book of First Runs The new Kinki-Sharyo ALRV's begin service on the Newark City Subway. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 27 08:55:10 2016, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 27 07:54:48 2016. A lot of that to me was the corruption and general attitudes of the 1940's, '50s and '60s and the people of those days (not to forget Robert Moses, who was around well before that) were seeing what they caused slowly coming to full fruition. What happened in 1976 was one of the many unintended consequences of the actions of Robert Moses and his anti-Transit attitudes caused that in many cases continue to this day. Throw in those who were still acting like it was the salad days of an earlier time and place and it did not exactly help matters at all. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 27 09:04:29 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 27 08:55:10 2016. Wally: It wasn't just Moses. During the years that you mentioned monies that should have gone to routine maintenance and repair were diverted to revenue to keep the fare low. Everyone seemed to like that idea until the bill came due.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 27 10:57:04 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 27 09:04:29 2016. As that guy in those Fram oil filter commercials used to say, "You can pay me now or - cha-ching! - pay me later." |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 27 22:18:00 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 27 10:57:04 2016. Yep.And definitely, the fare was kept too low for too long. Had the fare gone to say 20 cents during the '50s and maybe 25 cents in the early '60s and then 30 cents around 1966 or so, it might have prevented many of the problems that came up in later years. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 27 23:10:45 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 27 22:18:00 2016. The 15-cent fare gutted the system. I can vaguely remember that fare in 1965 and vividly remember the 20-cent fare when we moved to New Jersey in 1967. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 28 10:07:58 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 27 08:55:10 2016. Now that I primarily drive, I don't hate Moses. In fact, when I'm stuck in traffic trying to get to the GWB, I wish that LOMEX or the Cross Brooklyn Expressway had been built. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 28 14:05:59 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 28 10:07:58 2016. Robert Moses had nothing to do with the subway fares or its deterioration. This started with LaGuardia who kept the 5 cent fare to mute the critics of Unification. He tried to show that the City could own/operate a Municipal System without raising the fare. The 10 cent and, later, 15 cent fares did little to improve matters. So the 2nd Ave subway bond money was impounded. You know the rest of the story. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Aug 28 14:38:28 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 27 23:10:45 2016. The fare should've been raised to 20 cents in 1960, to 25 cents in 1965, and to 30 cents in 1970. Going back further, they should've raised the fare to 10 cents during the depression. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 28 16:13:41 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Aug 28 14:38:28 2016. The first time I went to Chicago in 1956, the fare there was 25 cents. All of the fares in NYC were out of date for most of the history of the NYCTS. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 28 16:35:06 2016, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 27 07:54:48 2016. And amazingly, one car from each used on the last runs of the respective lines survive in museums within a 75-mile vicinity from the city: #6398 from the "EE" at the TMNY in Kingston NY, and #1689 from the "K" at Shore Line in East Haven, CT-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 28 18:15:18 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 28 16:35:06 2016. William: Indeed they do. If you don't mind I will add this to the entry in The Almanac. Thank you, Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 28 18:24:18 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 28 16:35:06 2016. Thank you for the info.I rode the EE a couple of times during the summer of 1970 - the trains were R-9s. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 28 21:57:19 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Aug 28 14:38:28 2016. The problem during the Depression was that the City wanted Unification, so it would not allow fares to be raised above 5 cents. The strategy partially worked when, on August 26th, 1932, the IRT officially went bankrupt. LaGuardia also believed that the City could operate the former IRT and BMT lines, minus the condemned, money losing, el lines, for five cents. During WWII, the nickel fare barely covered the operating expenses, except during 1943, when it showed a modest profit. But, this was a system hampered by wartime shortages and the inability to purchase new rolling stock or equipment. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 29 06:38:54 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 28 14:05:59 2016. Yeah, I agree. Moses was an ogre, but for different reasons. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 29 13:46:49 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 28 18:24:18 2016. The EE was actually intended to be 100% R-1/9s until a N/B EE broke down in the 60 St tunnel in the PM rush circa 1971. After that, a bulletin went out that only SMEE equipment was to be used on the EE and R-1/9s used only on the GG. Interestingly, the train that broke down was a SMEE, I believe an R-16. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 30 08:49:06 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 28 18:15:18 2016. Yes, with my permission, add that entry in your Records book, and I believe that R-9 #1689 last ran in service for good on the "LL" on 3/25/1977 (or thereabouts).-William A. Padron ["BMT"] |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Aug 30 10:05:34 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 30 08:49:06 2016. Thank you William.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 30 14:21:22 2016, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 27 07:54:48 2016. I remember this- though I only learned of it the following Monday. But thinking back, this really was a turning point- a bad one- in subway history. Although there were problems leading up to this date, this event in my mind marks the beginning of serious crisis in the system.I remember that outdated 1972 (and a few 1974) Vignelli maps as well as the service notice of the cuts remained posted in the cars for about another year. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Aug 30 19:48:15 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 29 06:38:54 2016. One example: LaGuardia could have saved $$$ by keeping the streetcars on Fulton St, instead of doing away with them. All they had to do was replace the mountings under the Fulton el with trolley poles that had been removed from other defunct car lines. Unlike the 9th Ave el, only the section of the Fulton St el, between Myrtle Ave and Lafayette Ave, was removed. So, the taxpayers along Fulton St, under the old el, found themselves being assessed more for removal costs. Ditto for the 5th Ave-Bay Ridge el. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 30 21:38:20 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 30 08:49:06 2016. And thanks to the good folks at SLTM, 1689 is still alive and well today. |
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