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November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 19 19:36:28 2016 Someone on New York City Transit Forums posted the link to the November 6, 2016 B Division Pick. The document shows that as expected, the N short-turns will run to 96th Street. In addition, the W train runs are classified as part of the N, meaning that the W designation is only going to be use for the public. Internally it will be part of the N. Additionally, W trains will still have its first and last trains originating/terminating on the Sea Beach Line in Brooklyn. The R train's late night service to Whitehall will began during this pick. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 19 21:15:00 2016, in response to November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 19 19:36:28 2016. Some N's going to 2 Ave and some going to Astoria will be confusing. I know, no more so than A's going to three different terminals, but we shouldn't be adding additional confusion. That's a step in the wrong direction. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Aug 19 21:55:26 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 19 21:15:00 2016. It will be no different than 2 & 5 trains going to New Lots during Rush hour... Its only a handful of N trains that will get laid up in Manhattan during the mid day hours, no big deal. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Aug 19 23:53:56 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 19 21:15:00 2016. "this is a 96th street/2nd Ave bound N express train"how is that confusing? I used to get a 57th street put out quite often. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Aug 19 23:56:05 2016, in response to November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 19 19:36:28 2016. for the record, the Broadway information runs from page 527 to page 714 |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Strike_Mark on Sat Aug 20 03:18:42 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 19 21:15:00 2016. Maybe for those who are visually impaired AND deaf... |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 07:08:49 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 19 21:15:00 2016. This is currently going on.I sometimes want to ride a train from Union Square to 49th Street. I may catch an N or a Q, and occasionally it's signed for 57th, so I know I have to change to another train at 42nd. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 20 09:18:06 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 19 21:15:00 2016. Is the impression that before the Q is extended, the short turn Ns that currently say 96th on the pick will just end north of 57th? And then when the Q is extended they would end together at 96th? |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 09:26:26 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 20 09:18:06 2016. Is the impression that before the Q is extended, the short turn Ns that currently say 96th on the pick will just end north of 57th?Before the Q is extended, wouldn't they just short turn Ns in the 57th Street stations just like they do right now? |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by andy on Sat Aug 20 09:30:28 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 20 09:18:06 2016. Sounds like the N trains to 96th will be non-revenue moves, prior to opening of the SAS, in order to act as test trains on the SAS. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 20 09:34:57 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 09:26:26 2016. That's what I was asking, but I just dug deeper and got the answer I think. As the Q is listed as going to 96th even though 96th won't yet be open, it is probably safe to say that 96th = 57th in this document until the official SAS opening day. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 20 09:36:37 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by andy on Sat Aug 20 09:30:28 2016. I don't think so, given that the Q is listed as going to 96th as well. Likely 96th = 57th before SAS opening. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 09:43:51 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by The Silence on Fri Aug 19 23:53:56 2016. Yet when Wallyhorse floats ideas just like this, he is roundly mocked. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 20 09:50:45 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 09:43:51 2016. Wallyhorse tends to suggest service patterns, such as his famous T train from east of the Williamsburg Bridge up to 2nd Ave which he has envisioned occurring for at least a chunk of the day.This case is more about the age-old problem of oddball runs during shoulder periods, transitioning the system into and out of rush hour. This is a systemwide process, and we're just seeing how it applies to the N. It turns out to be no significant news. Since the Q is being extended from 57th to 96th, those few oddball Ns that currently end there just have to go with it. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 20 10:12:39 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 19 21:15:00 2016. I agree, they should use the Astoria express track more. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 12:02:13 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 09:43:51 2016. Apples. Oranges.Wallyhorse suggested that when the L is shut they run extra Ms to 96th, even though they are desperately needed at Court Square. The MTA is planning to run extra Ns that aren't needed in Astoria to 96th instead. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 12:15:03 2016, in response to November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 19 19:36:28 2016. I'm wondering why a internal document like this was posted on a public forum for anyone to see ...Smh |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 12:17:31 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 12:15:03 2016. The harm being what? Most of this information can be deduced from publicly available schedules. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by IRT/O on Sat Aug 20 13:50:52 2016, in response to November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 19 19:36:28 2016. Thanks for posting this. I'm looking to go to the B next year. Couldn't find this anywhere. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Aug 20 14:32:58 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 20 10:12:39 2016. Peak express on the Astoria was a total flop. Unless it is ever extended, the only uses for the express track are reverse-peak to shave a few minutes off returning trains to Ditmars for southbound service. Or, reroutes. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 14:50:18 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 12:17:31 2016. It's a MTA document that's why the riding public has the timetables...Let's use some logic here if they wanted you folks who ride the trains to see it it would be available on the MTA website right? Can you figure out what Apple 101 job does by reading a timetable??? I'll wait.. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 14:50:55 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by IRT/O on Sat Aug 20 13:50:52 2016. You can find it on TENS... |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Aug 20 15:14:36 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 20 09:50:45 2016. Since they don't need all the N's to go to Astoria, and they want to have the W as part of the N on the programs, it makes me wonder if they could have used those N's (some of which I see return to STL; not all drop out) to replace W's, and then maybe have it like the 80's where |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 15:54:08 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 14:50:18 2016. You haven't explained the harm. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Aug 20 15:59:58 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 12:15:03 2016. there is no "security" threat. The default in a "free country" (like the one we were taught we lived in in Civics class in HS--not the one we actually live in) should be, as much info as possible available for citizens to look at. What data in thatdocument coul;d possibly be problematic for any of us to see???I am reminded of a comment in a railfan mag decrying the publication somewhere of reduced speeds on segments of a faltering RR. The mag opined the info was proprietary and might aid competitors as if anyone was naive enough to believe that deferred maintenance driven speed reductions could be hidden. The potential shippers certainly had a right to that data IMHO and why not everyone else? |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by IRT/O on Sat Aug 20 16:42:08 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 14:50:55 2016. Not when I looked. Though they are getting better at posting info. I can recall picking without the work program on TENS. Had to get a PDF. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by IRT/O on Sat Aug 20 16:47:16 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Aug 20 15:59:58 2016. Well I suppose if a customer wanted to stalk or had a beef with a transit worker, if they knew their job #, they could get a good idea where to find them with this info. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 17:21:58 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 15:54:08 2016. if I need to explain that to you then it's not worth my time really smh..I thought you had sense |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 17:22:35 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by IRT/O on Sat Aug 20 16:42:08 2016. It's there.. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 17:23:35 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Aug 20 15:59:58 2016. Another one wow gotcha |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 17:26:35 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by IRT/O on Sat Aug 20 16:47:16 2016. Well it's causing a chit storm that's for sure I'm standing by what I said if they wanted folks to see job locations pay rates and starting and ending times for employees it would be posted.. Where non employees can view it.. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 20 17:35:11 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 17:26:35 2016. I agree.There's a site called See Through New York that lists annual income of all city and state workers. I know one cop who always stalks people there to compare salaries. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 17:39:12 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 20 17:35:11 2016. Annual is public record I don't have a issue with that... |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 18:42:45 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 20 17:35:11 2016. At one time, the salaries of all Nassau County employees were published annually in a legal notice in Newsday. I haven't seen it lately, but that could be simply because I haven't been looking. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 18:48:25 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 12:15:03 2016. I dare say that the reason that this is an internal document is simply because the general public is not interested, not because it contains any top secret or confidential information. The MTA isn't going to waste valuable space on a public server with arcane documents of little public interest. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 18:54:31 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by IRT/O on Sat Aug 20 16:47:16 2016. "Well I suppose if a customer wanted to stalk or had a beef with a transit worker, if they knew their job #, they could get a good idea where to find them with this info."If someone has a beef with a transit worker, all he has to do is go look for him at the same place and time as the original beef arose and follow him around after that, unless we're talking about some sort of supplement or fill-in work, in which case the document in question probably wouldn't help much anyway. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 20 19:09:24 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 18:42:45 2016. It's probably online now. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 20 19:10:48 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 17:39:12 2016. Really?Just because you work for the NYCT does not mean the public should have a right to know how much you make annually. You should be given a certain level of privacy. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sat Aug 20 20:56:12 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by IRT/O on Sat Aug 20 13:50:52 2016. Your welcome. Good luck! |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 21:23:57 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 20 19:10:48 2016. State agency what can I say? Cops and everybody else under the sun are there... |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 21:25:46 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 18:48:25 2016. My point stands as in why it was posted anyway say whatever you wish not asking for your agreement... |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 20 22:21:33 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 12:02:13 2016. If they aren’t needed at Astoria, they can terminate at Qnsbro Plz and operate as Ws back to Canal to lay up in C/Hall Yd. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 21 01:07:27 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 21:23:57 2016. my point is, civil servants should be afforded a level of privacy regardless of what their title is.That includes you. These stalker sites are a joke. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Aug 21 07:21:53 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by randyo on Sat Aug 20 22:21:33 2016. Hmm, this strikes me as a simpler and more cost-efficient idea. Any arguments against?What's the status with that middle track at 39th Ave nowadays? |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Aug 21 08:25:07 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 21 01:07:27 2016. Fair enough I can respect that., |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:16:53 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Aug 20 14:32:58 2016. I mean to lay trains up. Aside from a couple trains near Astoria Blvd, they don't do this. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:18:21 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 12:15:03 2016. Its not really private. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:19:03 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 21:25:46 2016. Cuz railfans would find it of interest, that is all. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Aug 21 09:20:44 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 21 01:07:27 2016. IAWTP!chud1. :)..... |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:21:23 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 09:26:26 2016. Pretty sure they will do just that. They aren't going to run trains up a line that is not open to the public and might still have construction work being done. |
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