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Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jul 20 21:15:56 2016

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As opposed to transit. My two nominees:

the Princeton Dinky: The obvious one. 3 miles, two stations. Has the official record for the shortest commuter run. Always seems to be on the threatened list, lets hope it stays!

The only other possible choice are the weekend Secaucus shuttles that NJT runs about 10 minutes ahead of the 'suggested' connections in the NJT timetables for the Main/Bergen and PV lines. It's NOT listed in any printed TTs, or on the website. It is probably further from NYP to SEC than the Princeton run, but it is an oddity and begs a few questions/guesses:

One has to assume that consist/crew just came in fron a NEC/NJCL/RV run

Since the PJL weekend scheds are very skimpy, MNR helps pay for it?

Why the secrecy? The only way you find out about it, if you aren't aware of it, is the boards at NYP or Departure Vision showing it.

In any respect, its as much of an oddity as the Dinky....



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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 20 21:39:16 2016, in response to Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jul 20 21:15:56 2016.

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The new RTD B line which starts next week may take the second place... two stations, 11 minutes. Not sure how many miles, but I am thinking more than 3 considering it will be passing two infill stations.

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 21 09:11:59 2016, in response to Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jul 20 21:15:56 2016.

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Stamford to New Canaan is short too, though longer than either of your examples.


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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Charles G on Thu Jul 21 12:55:03 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 20 21:39:16 2016.

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The LIRR shuttles from Valley Stream to West Hempstead cover a distance of only 4 miles (I think). With 4 intermediate stations, that has to count for something...

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 21 16:34:22 2016, in response to Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jul 20 21:15:56 2016.

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going somewhat further afield, there is the little Stourbridge Town branch near Birmingham in England. about 0.8 of a mile long, runs with flywheel powered Parry People Movers. It's a mainline rail route, within the London Midland franchise, but operated by the manufacturer of the cars.



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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by chud1 on Thu Jul 21 17:58:36 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 21 16:34:22 2016.

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5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this video.
chud1.
:).....

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 21 22:47:06 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by AlM on Thu Jul 21 09:11:59 2016.

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Just rode that one a few weeks ago, 17 minute ride. Neat little line!

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 21 22:48:26 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 21 16:34:22 2016.

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You may have won this one :).

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Bill West on Fri Jul 22 02:24:52 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 21 22:48:26 2016.

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In that vein, while not the shortest, a candidate for the smallest train set run by a Class I may be Canadian National's Kaoham Shuttle.
It runs daily between D'Arcy, Seton Portage and Lillooet, BC with two overgrown speeders.

Bill

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jul 22 03:36:15 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 21 16:34:22 2016.

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Thanks for posting!
I agree with Chud1
Enjoyed the video!


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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 03:47:58 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 21 16:34:22 2016.

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VERY interesting run indeed!

Thanks for the treat! :)

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 22 09:53:18 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Bill West on Fri Jul 22 02:24:52 2016.

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Wow, that's fantastic! I was particularly amused by these parts:

The crew and passengers play a game of 'guess the temperature', awaiting the reading of the CN Detector to come over the radio.

The Conductor notes that the service has actually seen investment in recent years ... now the train doesn't have to stop mid-way and let the engines cool down

Definitely worth taking a ride someday!

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by NJCL2308 on Fri Jul 22 10:00:53 2016, in response to Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jul 20 21:15:56 2016.

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Those are the 7600-series trains, they carry revenue passengers NY-Secaucus and deadhead to Rahway to turn for an Eastbound. The opposite happens in the evening.

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 22 10:28:47 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Bill West on Fri Jul 22 02:24:52 2016.

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Heh. I never realized that train existed, and I've actually driven from Pemberton to Lillooet.



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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Jul 22 14:08:11 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by NJCL2308 on Fri Jul 22 10:00:53 2016.

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This is interesting to me - has this service been around since SEC opened? Or did they find out that regular NEC/NJCL/M-E connectors were insufficient or the connecting traffic was a burden on the regular runs on weekends? I know in the summer, that first PJL line train on weekends can be jammed with hikers/campers who get off at Sloatsburg or Tuxedo.

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by BMT Standard on Fri Jul 22 17:05:32 2016, in response to Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jul 20 21:15:56 2016.

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One would need to go back nearly 100 years, but the Manhattan Elevated ran shuttle trains between Grand Central and Third Avenue along 42nd St. Not sure of the exact distance, but it can be no more than 1/4 mile.

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 22 17:22:30 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by BMT Standard on Fri Jul 22 17:05:32 2016.

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Probably the same distance as the Bowling Green/South Ferry shuttle.

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by NJCL2308 on Fri Jul 22 19:00:26 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Jul 22 14:08:11 2016.

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No, the 7600 trains were introduced about six years ago to relieve crowding on NJCL and NEC trains in the respective direction, although they also have the benefits you mentioned. They are cancelled whenever Amtrak has to do additional single tracking.

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by B1bus on Sat Jul 23 01:54:39 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Charles G on Thu Jul 21 12:55:03 2016.

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Doesn't it run every 2 hours?

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 07:13:13 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Charles G on Thu Jul 21 12:55:03 2016.

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The LIRR shuttles from Valley Stream to West Hempstead cover a distance of only 4 miles (I think).

Let's hope it's longer. It takes 15 minutes.

But it does beat out New Canaan, which is 8 miles and 17 minutes.



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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Charles G on Sat Jul 23 12:03:45 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 07:13:13 2016.

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Let's hope it's longer. It takes 15 minutes.


There's a reason that hardly anyone rides them and they are always on the chopping block when funds get tight. It's a slow ride that takes you in a direction that you really didn't want to go in the first place...

According to the LIRR Stations index at www.mta.info, it is four miles long. We've seen here in the past that the "distance from Penn Station" info there is questionable.

Now that I'm off my phone and on my main computer, I used milermeter.com, and the distance appears to be about 4.4 miles. Also worth pointing out that the distance from Valley Stream to Far Rockaway is only 4.8 miles (but that only runs as a shuttle overnight).

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Alan Follett on Sun Jul 24 19:57:31 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by BMT Standard on Fri Jul 22 17:05:32 2016.

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The Normal Park branch of the Chicago "L," which ran as a shuttle in its last years, was only about three-quarters of a mile long.

Alan Follett
Hercules, CA

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by B1bus on Tue Jul 26 00:45:14 2016, in response to Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jul 20 21:15:56 2016.

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Is that incline in LA considered a rail line?

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Jul 26 07:00:01 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by B1bus on Tue Jul 26 00:45:14 2016.

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More of a tourist attraction, no?

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Re: Shortest scheduled rail run....

Posted by The silence on Tue Jul 26 10:48:26 2016, in response to Re: Shortest scheduled rail run...., posted by B1bus on Tue Jul 26 00:45:14 2016.

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It's not even running right now.

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