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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 21 20:31:30 2016 
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:34:56 2016, in response to williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 21 20:31:30 2016. very interesting. thanks for posting. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Jul 21 22:04:01 2016, in response to williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 21 20:31:30 2016. Wonderful! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Jul 21 23:27:43 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:34:56 2016. same :) many thanks! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Jul 22 23:00:52 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by Express Rider on Thu Jul 21 23:27:43 2016. resource like this...as much as i appreciate a good history book, nothing beats a "real-time" p.o.v. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Jul 23 14:10:30 2016, in response to williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 21 20:31:30 2016. thanks for posting! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Jul 24 04:52:04 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Jul 23 14:10:30 2016. welcome. but anyone can find this stuff. brooklyn daily eagle online. search for anything, or nothing. obviously, search parameters can be filtered, though for that one i simply searched for "williamsburg bridge terminal", without the quotes...over 40k responses. the serandipitous results are astounding. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Jul 24 10:00:54 2016, in response to williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 21 20:31:30 2016. 
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Jul 24 10:03:50 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jul 24 10:00:54 2016. thanks! |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 24 14:44:43 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by renee gil on Sun Jul 24 10:03:50 2016. This new trolley stop with its entrances at Bedford and Driggs Aves, contributed to the closure of the Broadway Ferry spur. The spur, which closed at midnight, 07/03/1916, had an intermediate station at Driggs Ave. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Jul 25 01:46:14 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 24 14:44:43 2016. interesting. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 25 07:23:27 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by ntrainride on Fri Jul 22 23:00:52 2016. I agree. It shows how much thinking and effort was put in to building this facility- to see it abandoned only 40 years later as a sign of "progress".... |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 25 14:39:38 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 24 14:44:43 2016. thanks for the info.On those later "classic" B.M.T. maps, from about the 1920s forward, Driggs Ave. was shown as the final stop on that spur. If you didn't know about the actual Broadway Ferry el Termimal, one could easily mistaken it to be at Driggs. ave. (presuming you'd never been to this actual neighborbood area). |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 25 14:40:57 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 25 07:23:27 2016. my parents used this terminal in the mid-late 1940s when going to visit relatives on my mother's side who lived in the Kent Ave. area. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 15:16:55 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 25 14:39:38 2016. We used to get off at Marcy Ave to go to Peter Luger's, so I'm familiar with the area. After the shuttle was closed on 07/03/1916, the spur was kept for 3 reasons: conduit for the Kent Ave power cables, storage for the 1000 series (I believe) gate cars that ran on the rush hour B'way-Bklyn to from Canal St, and possible restoration of shuttle service. The talk for restoration reached its height in 1921. As to why Driggs Ave was on your map, without B'way Ferry, I don't know. My maps show an unmarked spur, west of Marcy Ave. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 15:34:32 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 15:16:55 2016. The nycsubway site has a 1924 BMT map showing B'way Ferry, but no Driggs Ave station. The next BMT map from 1931, shows a spur without either Driggs or B'way Ferry. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Jul 25 16:32:26 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 15:16:55 2016. "NEW BRIDGE L SERVICE HITS FERRY PASSENGERS"
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 17:41:04 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by ntrainride on Mon Jul 25 16:32:26 2016. I posted about the rush hour service on the Broadway Ferry spur before. Two 3-car gates (probably 1000 series like the ones that ran on the Bway-Bklyn)were inadequate and the side platforms at Marcy Ave were narrow. The problem in 1913 was that the BRT had to end regular ferry shuttle service because the Broadway el was third tracked to just west of Marcy's platforms. The center pocket track, over Keap Street had to be removed for express service. The Dual Contracts made no provision for a modified Marcy Ave station, similar to Myrtle Ave or Eastern Pkwy (yea- B'way Jct!). |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 17:43:07 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 17:41:04 2016. PS: I read that article, 4 months ago. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Jul 26 00:06:29 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 17:41:04 2016. the bridge plaza surface car/bus terminal idea has to be unique in the city. sure, every bridge has bus and/or train lines adjacent to the endpoints, but a dedicated staging area for multiple bus routes? not even queensboro plaza has that. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jul 26 00:22:50 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 15:34:32 2016. Thanks. I'll check through copies of the maps I nave again. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 26 15:02:27 2016, in response to williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 21 20:31:30 2016. Good thing travel in new york has plummeted so much that they could get rid of the trolley loops..... |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 26 16:03:23 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 25 17:41:04 2016. The dual contracts actually provided for a new express station at Willy B Plaza but the PSC report I have doesn’t mention whether it was to replace Marcy or be built in addition to it. Who would pay for the new station along with relocating the Fulton St el in downtown Bkln was somehow intertwined with the third tracking of the remainder of the Fulton St el west of Nostrand and east of Hinsdale St. Never having been resolved neither the new station at Willy B plaza, nor the relocation of the Fulton St El, nor the third tracking of the remaining portions of the Fulton St el were accomplished. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 26 20:04:16 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 26 16:03:23 2016. The Willy B Plaza station would have replaced Marcy Ave. Since the BRT was committed to third tracking the Fulton el, west of Atlantic Ave, there was no money to rebuild from Hinsdale to Grant Ave. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 26 20:09:48 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 26 15:02:27 2016. Are there any videos of trolley service over the Willy B, showing the terminal and the stop at Driggs Ave? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 27 12:30:41 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 26 20:09:48 2016. The reason that i ask this is that Youtube has no trolley videos over the Willy B. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 27 15:08:40 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 26 20:04:16 2016. Third tracking/rebuilding did take place between Atlantic (actually Hinsdale St) and Nostrand but the third tracking west of Nostrand as well as the third tracking/rebuilding between Hinsdale and Grant was delayed due to the dispute of who would pay for the Willy B plaza station. It wouldn’t have made any sense for the BRT to rebuild into downtown unless the entire el were rebuilt since the eventual end was to have steel cars operate the entire length of the Fulton St el and into the proposed Ashland Pl connection. It’s not so much that there was no money available as to whose money would be used. According to the PSC report I read, the city was willing to complete the rebuilding of the entire Fulton El provided that the BRT paid for the new station at Willy B plaza and the stalemate resulted in nothing being done other than what was done between Hinsdale and Nostrand. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 27 16:24:15 2016, in response to williamsburg bridge terminal, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 21 20:31:30 2016. Thank you for posting. This is the first photo I have ever seen of Essex Street station(then called Delancey Street) as a dead-end terminal. |
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Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 27 19:11:50 2016, in response to Re: williamsburg bridge terminal: New Trolley Stop on Bridge Plaza, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 27 15:08:40 2016. From what I read in the Brooklyn Eagle, the Ashland Place project, as well as the rebuildings of the Fulton el fell apart because the BRT (and later the BMT) insisted that the City first finish the Nassau-Montague subway, south of Chambers St. (Perhaps, the Fulton St el was supposed to have been routed through the Nassau Loop?) The coup-de-gras came when Hylan broke out the plans for the IND Fulton subway. |
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