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Posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 7 19:31:50 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 7 17:07:56 2016. I was mistaken, thanks. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jul 7 20:15:00 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 6 09:21:52 2016. Read all about the R-46 truck cracks and Grumman Flxible bus issues from the 1980s from my article at nycsubway.org. What a fun time that was!--Mark |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jul 7 21:25:53 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jul 7 20:15:00 2016. a great read, thanks for posting |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 7 21:27:32 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 7 17:05:54 2016. I wonder how many R-9s were sent to the BMT eastern division after the standards were retired. How many were re-painted & when the order came down to stop the re-painting.That info is out there somewhere. Just don't know where to look or know of anyone still around that would know. Just curious. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jul 7 23:35:07 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jul 7 20:15:00 2016. Oh yeah, that's what I lived through (I mentioned this in a prior posting). |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jul 8 11:05:16 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by merrick1 on Thu Jul 7 07:08:44 2016. That population is likely much larger than the Wimbledon and Euro Cup fan bases. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 8 15:06:13 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jul 7 20:15:00 2016. i hated da R-46 and da Grumman felxaible bus.chdu1. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 8 15:20:12 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 7 21:27:32 2016. Based on my personal observation and photo documentation, There were 400 R-7s through R-9s transferred to the BMT Eastern. I believe there were also a couple of R-4s that were renumbered in with the higher numbers and transferred there as well. That makes approximately 400 cars sent to the BMT East. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 8 15:39:04 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jul 7 20:15:00 2016. I seem to recall from when I was working that the Rockwell truck itself was not a defective design but that what passes for planners and engineers in NYCTA New Car Engineering. failed to specify that the truck had to be able to handle the G forces on the NYCTS and specified a truck that was too weak for NY’s infrastructure. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 8 15:46:37 2016, in response to Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 2 16:18:50 2016. UpdatesSome excepts from the TV feed on #periscope. Septa will have some leased cars from Amtrak, ACS64 locos and AmFleets and Locomotives(2) from NJT and (8)Comet cars. They are getting 5 passenger cars from Marc. |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Jul 8 15:55:19 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 8 15:06:13 2016. Why? |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Jul 8 16:04:35 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jul 7 20:15:00 2016. What a fun time that was!Huh? How was that a "fun time"? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Jul 8 16:44:57 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by renee gil on Fri Jul 8 15:55:19 2016. I was a Queens Transit to 71st and Continental traveler for a while, I never had a problem with the R-46, but there was something uncomfortable about the seating on the 870. We got to keep ours for a long time, they didn't go away like the TA. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 8 16:45:53 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 8 15:46:37 2016. Today's news conference-Septa |
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Posted by kp5308 on Fri Jul 8 17:40:26 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 8 15:46:37 2016. Thanks Chuck....you are doing the rest of us a tremendous service with your updates. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 8 17:44:40 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by renee gil on Fri Jul 8 15:55:19 2016. always had problems and out of service.chud1. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 8 17:49:29 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 8 17:44:40 2016. The R46, as well as the R44, did have their share of problems when they had "P Wire" and of course add the truck problems with the 46. But once the trucks were replaced and both classes were mechanically rebuilt into SMEE's, their reliability increased greatly. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 8 18:21:06 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by pragmatist on Fri Jul 8 16:44:57 2016. If I can remember, the 870s were more comfortable than the RTSs. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 8 18:56:23 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 17:23:13 2016. wow...So Steve finally shows up. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 8 18:58:52 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 8 17:49:29 2016. OH yeah... |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 8 19:17:20 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by kp5308 on Fri Jul 8 17:40:26 2016. You are quite welcome. This is a very series problem, these cracks in the equalizer beam. Jeff Knueuppel said Hyundai -Rotem is doing a Finite Engineering Analysis on that part.Pretty high "faluting" stuff going on. :) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 8 19:21:28 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 8 19:17:20 2016. Leasing |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 8 19:27:39 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 8 15:20:12 2016. Thanks! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 8 19:40:10 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by renee gil on Fri Jul 8 16:04:35 2016. I think he was being facetious. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 8 19:41:34 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 7 21:27:32 2016. I never saw a repainted old timer in service, but I do remember seeing one or two in Jamaica Yard when we drove past on the Van Wyck. |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Jul 8 19:47:55 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 8 19:40:10 2016. Maybe. It's kind of hard to tell with text. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 8 20:59:37 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 8 19:41:34 2016. The stationary school car in JYD, now R1/9 museum car 401, was painted silver and blue for a time. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 8 21:11:20 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 8 19:41:34 2016. There were several R-9s repainted in MTA blue & Silver colors working the eastern division in the early 70s....But no Standards were repainted if that is the "old timers" you are referring to I can just imagine how lousy they would look in MTA colors!!. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jul 8 21:11:47 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 8 19:21:28 2016. SEPTA needs to shut down both the Chestnut hill lines and the Fox Chase line. There's ample city transit in those areas to pick up the slack. Maybe even consider shutting down the Media-Elwyn line since the route 101 and 102 trolleys serve the same catchment area. Also, close the Trenton line stops from 30th to Torresdale. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 8 21:17:24 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 8 21:11:20 2016. A silver and blue BMT standard?I'll have nightmares all night! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 8 22:33:43 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 8 21:17:24 2016. IIRC, they had painted one of the LoV work motors in that scheme for reasons only a shrink would be able to figure out back in 1971. It was in the back with some of the other wreckage and Q cars. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Jul 8 23:25:20 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 8 18:21:06 2016. I don't remember them that way on Queens Transit, but it was a long time ago and I just might be wrong. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 00:52:38 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 6 07:29:36 2016. Why are Denver's cars 5000 lbs lighter than SEPTA's? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 01:04:55 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 7 00:11:53 2016. Would it be possible to add a SEPTA crew member for the Trenton to 30th St leg? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 01:07:23 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 00:52:38 2016. Probably less air conditioning, and helium masks drop down in case of an emergency because of the altitude. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 01:08:00 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 6 18:25:46 2016. If they can get some of the Bombardier cars, then it becomes a problem of locomotives. Can Amtrek spare some old AEM-7's? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 01:43:37 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 8 15:06:13 2016. I liked the 870s. I thought the exterior and interior designs were unique and interesting. The RTS's were more standard and a bit less interesting. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 01:45:58 2016, in response to Re: What type of cars to borrow Silverliner V problems, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 6 16:54:55 2016. MARC uses locomotives and coaches only, right? And since they're cleared for the NEC, they should work. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jul 9 01:51:43 2016, in response to Re: What type of cars to borrow Silverliner V problems, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 01:45:58 2016. Copied from railroad.net/forums.http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=162919&start=150#p1392104 "Lease agreements almost signed and ready for: Amtrak 2x ACS64 5x Amfleets NJT 1x ALP-44 8x Comet cars MARC 5x passenger cars New schedule starts July 11th (Monday): Trenton Line - removing 12 SL-IV and putting 1x NJT and 1x MARC consist (+300 seats) Trenton/Cornwells/Levittown platforms are being extended with pavement Warminster line - additional local service between Center City/Glenside (+1440 seats) Paoli/Thorndale - 3x quick turns between Bryn Mawr using Amfleet equipment Lansdale/Doylestown - Additional early AM train(s) Looking at express bus routes from high traffic stations to Center City Not done leasing equipment - additional equipment possible from Amtrak and other agencies from across country DNC likely not to affect railroad scheduling/passenger counts 240 trucks total = 37 have no cracks 480 beams total = 264 have cracks Repair is not likely possible given magnitude of problem, not entirely ruled out (SEPTA and Rotem both came to this conclusion) If repair is out of questions, Rotem has already sourced steel for new parts. Trucks are under warranty Service disruption will likely last through August, at minimum." |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 01:53:00 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 01:07:23 2016. I can see people vandalizing the cars just to play with the helium masks. In fact, they should sell them for fun. :-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 01:54:23 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 01:53:00 2016. Well ... if bar cars are gone, that'll suffice as a replacement. :) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jul 9 02:39:53 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 8 16:45:53 2016. Thanks for posting that link. Finally listened to the whole press conference tonight. So much better to hear what he said than read some reporter's take. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jul 9 02:41:52 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jul 8 21:11:47 2016. Wrong. Having livedon the RDG side, I can tell you the commute to Center City by surface transit was much slower than the train. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 02:45:15 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jul 9 02:39:53 2016. Aren't "actualities" great? Nobody watches C-SPAN either. If they did, we'd have a different government now. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jul 9 05:37:12 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 02:45:15 2016. Nope. \ 95% of them are cattle, as in most folks don't have very many neurons actually firing |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 9 06:28:03 2016, in response to Re: What type of cars to borrow Silverliner V problems, posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jul 9 01:51:43 2016. Excellent summary, thanks! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 06:29:11 2016, in response to Re: What type of cars to borrow Silverliner V problems, posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jul 9 01:51:43 2016. Oh well, I guess Metro North couldn't spare anything. Would've been fun also to see a mixed consist of Amfleets, Comets and MARC cars. :-) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 9 07:06:38 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jul 9 02:39:53 2016. it's a pleasure to hear Jeff Knueppel speak, he tells the public exactly what is going on in simple terms. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sat Jul 9 07:46:58 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 00:52:38 2016. SEPTA cars have four traps per car for low and high platform boarding, while RTD cars don't (high level platforms only) and SEPTA cars have electrical components to operate 12.5 kV 25 Hz and 12.5 kV 60 Hz as well as the 25 kV 60 Hz that the Denver cars have. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sat Jul 9 08:47:40 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 9 07:06:38 2016. Truck problem explained |
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