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Posted by Jace on Wed Jul 6 12:33:46 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 5 01:16:10 2016. The SDP40F derailment problems were due to a combination of a stiff secondary suspension on all EMD HTC trucks (SP had derailment issues on their SD45T-2 units), very heavy locomotives and track standards (specifically FRA's detailed spiking pattern standards). The heavy locomotive would tend to transfer high lateral loads into the high rail on curves thanks to the stiff secondary, while the spiking standards ended up being insufficient to handle the load. As a result of these issues, EMD softened the secondary, changed the dampers on the center axle and the FRA changed their regs to state only that spiking needs to be sufficient for the intended loads.The problems on the Silver V's could very well be due to systemic manufacturing issues or it could be a design problem. If the seats are welded to the beam then the weld has to be specified to minimize the possibility of fatigue (crack initiation). It could be the wrong weld was specified or poor technique was used. The latter should have been caught be inspection, presumably by Columbus as a fully built truck would be very tough to inspect there by Hyundai or SEPTA. One disadvantage with this being a more or less standard truck is that it could lead to a less stringent inspection/testing program than one would see on a new design. That would be fine for an unmodified truck (assuming of course the loads going into the truck match the original design intent), but not where there have been changes. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 6 12:40:33 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jul 4 22:48:52 2016. Westchester had them until at least 1999- and there was no talk of replacing them at the time.I rode the #2 from Van Cortlandt to its Northern terminal every day from Nov '96-Feb '99. What a drag-ass trip that was. Saw a lot of fights on that run too- most interesting were the ones between the bus drivers and people literally standing on the street who'd insult them. And the kids in the back doing scratchiti.... |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 6 13:09:40 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Jace on Wed Jul 6 12:33:46 2016. Thank you, very interesting. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 6 13:29:49 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 6 09:21:52 2016. What was being done with the R-46s was that they were assigned to various lines where they would only operate during rush hours to be able to provide full service but laid up during off peak periods. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jul 6 13:58:37 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 6 08:08:14 2016. Superly informative. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jul 6 14:07:18 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 3 15:33:26 2016. Just what type of cars and locos can be borrowed and used on SEPTA?Electric, with pants? Diesel? Multi-level? LIRR multi-level? What about Newhaven branch electrics? or are only Amtrak and NJT compatible? |
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Posted by caine515 on Wed Jul 6 14:16:07 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jul 4 22:48:52 2016. originally it was claimed the condition of the streets did the Grumman 870 buses in(especially on Quincy Street for the b52 where it had a lot of potholes).The ones assigned to MSBA were designed AFTER the models that were assigned to NYC and avoided the defect issues. Sadly, the ones that Green Lines,Triboro Coach and Queens Surface arrived around the time NYC received them..hence the defects. The only private company to have them lasting the longest was Jamaica Bus, sadly I never rode them |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 6 14:20:15 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by caine515 on Wed Jul 6 14:16:07 2016. No problems in Denver expected |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 6 15:30:31 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by caine515 on Wed Jul 6 14:16:07 2016. The PBL buses were 8 cyl not 6 like the TA. I believe they had a different bulkhead design and did not have the issues the TA had. Those buses were around a long time. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 6 15:48:01 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 6 15:30:31 2016. Borrow equipment? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 6 15:56:34 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 6 15:48:01 2016. Would you let Hyundai-Rotem build more railcars for you? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 6 16:52:22 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 6 15:56:34 2016. they did not build the trucks, they were specified by SEPTA as part of buy America and American made in Pennsylvania. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 6 16:54:55 2016, in response to Re: What type of cars to borrow Silverliner V problems, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jul 6 14:07:18 2016. Jersey Arrows equipped for the NEC can run in SEPTA territory, and I believe NJT's ALP locos can, too. Diesels on the ACL run into 30th Street Station, as well.I wonder if MBTA or MARC equipment can run in the Philly area, too? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 6 16:56:22 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 6 16:52:22 2016. Not only were they domestic, as far as I know, of a basic design that has been around for quite a long time, and has served pretty well. There is either a material, workmanship, or adaptation error, and time will be needed to do true root cause analysis. All this uninformed mudslinging only makes folks look foolish. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 6 17:02:32 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 6 13:29:49 2016. Any other part time lines you can add ?  Line: IND Concourse Line...Location: Bedford Park Boulevard... Route: CC...Car: R-46 (Pullman-Standard, 1974-75) 552... Photo by: Doug Grotjahn...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 11/4/1980...from nycsibway.org |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 17:23:13 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 6 17:02:32 2016. R46 - were those the Speed Racer order? 87+ mph and still going when the track ran out.Those were days of real 'Yes We Can' - yes we can go to space, jet travel for everyone, air conditioning in Joe Average's car, nothing was impossible. You could not only keep your doctor, you could afford him. Until the seeds planted by LBJ, drugs, ACLU, Nation of Islam and so on sprouted. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 6 17:37:19 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 6 17:02:32 2016. Six-car trains, IIRC. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 6 18:25:46 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 6 16:56:22 2016. you are right, there are many reasons these equalizers are failing it may even lay at SEPTA. but for now it will be challange to get new once with chapter 11 problems at truck manufacturer. and challange to get replacement equipment for SEPTA.Metro north EMU's are a no go, no low level platform access or 25 Hz compatibility. Bombardier push pulls not set up for PTC yet. LIRR cars not engine compatible or engines not PTC compatible. NJT MLV's no crew or clearances yet, plus labor contract calls for NJT crew to operate (qualifications ) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 6 18:46:20 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 17:23:13 2016. I think those were R-44, but I'm not totally sure. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 6 18:49:20 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 6 17:02:32 2016. They were on the A/E/F and were used rush hours only. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 6 19:34:27 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 6 18:46:20 2016.  Location: LIRR Jamaica... Car: R-44 (St. Louis, 1971-73) 106... Photo by: Steve Zabel...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 2/20/1972...from nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 20:24:29 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 6 19:34:27 2016. With a blue racing stripe, no less!So at one time, a bit of style was allowed to slip through. No more. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 6 21:04:39 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 6 18:25:46 2016. Solution might be to temporarily have ALL NJ Transit trains between New York and Trenton be temporarily extended to Philly while SEPTA handles the 30th-Chestnut Hill portion of that line as normal. That would free up some SEPTA equipment for other lines and might not be a bad idea anyway with the Convention in Philly starting on the 25th. You can buy the Trenton-Philly leg at most NJT stations I believe, so that should not be an issue in doing such. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 6 21:13:31 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 6 21:04:39 2016. And how many NJT hoggers are qualified on SEPTA territory, especially through the CCCT? Even though the R-numbers are gone, SEPTA trains still operate as if they were still in effect to a great degree. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 6 21:28:48 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 6 21:04:39 2016. Does NJT have enough equipment and crews for that? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jul 6 21:31:53 2016, in response to Re: What type of cars to borrow Silverliner V problems, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 6 16:54:55 2016. I guess we will soon find out when loaners start to show up, if they are "surplus or "Spare". |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 6 21:55:07 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 6 21:13:31 2016. The NJT train sets could just terminate on the Amtrak Level at 30th... ACL trains travel regularly on the NEC between Philly and 30th so qualification shouldn't be a issue for the NJT crews.. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 6 22:33:52 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 6 21:55:07 2016. Exactly, and that is what I was thinking:Trains from NYC on NJT would terminate on AMTRAK tracks at 30th (same as Atlantic City trains do now). They would double as the SEPTA Trenton line for this period while SEPTA is able to use some of the trains that normally go between Trenton and Chestnut Hill East on other lines since SEPTA would only have to worry about running half a line. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 6 22:35:57 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 6 21:28:48 2016. They probably could spare some. It might require some extra trains and crew, but not that many relatively speaking and arrangements could be made in that regard. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 6 23:31:19 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 3 15:33:26 2016. Something tells me the number of people taking off to watch tennis and/or soccer is not doing a whole lot to reduce crowding on Regional Rail. Find a new explanation for us, preferably one that is actually believable. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 00:03:02 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 6 22:35:57 2016. That's not an answer. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 7 00:10:13 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 6 21:55:07 2016. The NJT train sets could just terminate on the Amtrak Level at 30thNot going to happen. ACL trains travel regularly on the NEC between Philly and 30th so qualification shouldn't be a issue for the NJT crews They aren't qualified to do local SEPTA runs. How many NJT hoggers know how and when to stop at stations like Levittown, Bristol et al? much less with the slower-accelerating/braking MLV trains? Never mind that SEPTA/AMTK dispatch is not set up to handle a whole new slew of trains "just terminat(ing) at the Amtrak level at 30th Street", which puts all the passengers outside Center City. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 7 00:11:53 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 6 22:33:52 2016. No, they wouldn't. NJT crews are not qualified for SEPTA local stop runs (never mind the union agreements), and the dispatching is not set up to send such trains to the lower level of 30th, which puts all of those pax outside Center City. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 7 03:39:42 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 6 08:08:14 2016. Overcrowding & Brush fire |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 7 06:23:57 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 7 03:39:42 2016. Chuck: Thank you for all the updates from Philly.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by merrick1 on Thu Jul 7 07:08:44 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 6 23:31:19 2016. You also have people taking time off for Eid al Fitr this week. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 7 08:59:04 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 7 06:23:57 2016. As I find more relevant articles, I'm happy to post them. You are quite welcome.This train shortage is killing Septa. |
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Posted by Asgard on Thu Jul 7 09:58:24 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 7 00:10:13 2016. "They aren't qualified to do local SEPTA runs. How many NJT hoggers know how and when to stop at stations like Levittown, Bristol et al? much less with the slower-accelerating/braking MLV trains?"Presumably they'd have SEPTA pilots to tell them where to stop. |
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Posted by GonzoUSN on Thu Jul 7 10:11:43 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 6 17:02:32 2016. That car looks like it took a beating. A large dent above the storm door. What were those small doors below the headlights for? I no longer see them on the 46's post GOH. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 7 13:14:53 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Asgard on Thu Jul 7 09:58:24 2016. How familiar are SEPTA people with NJT MLVs? and the hoggers still need to be qualified, which involves Amtrak too. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jul 7 13:18:18 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 7 13:14:53 2016. ever hear of piloting a crew ?? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 7 14:27:53 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 20:24:29 2016. The blue racing stripe was part of the MTA paint scheme and was used on LIRR, and M/N M-1s and many subsequent commuter RR coaches except for the NH division cars which had and continue to have a red stripe in place of the blue. NYCTA cars from the R-40M through the R-46 also had the blue stripes. The NYCTA gave up on the blue stripe due to the graffiti epidemic of the 19700s/1980s since the chemicals used in the graffiti wash also removed the blue paint.Although the R-62s and 68s were delivered without the blue stripe, I have seen artists’ renderings of both R-62s and R-68s with the blue stripe seeming to indicate that the MTA was at least somewhat interested in returning to the blue stripe once graffiti was eliminated from the system. I suspect that had it not been for the graffiti epidemic, the R-32s, 38s and 40 slants would have received the same blue stripe as the later cars since the pre stainless steel fleet was receiving the silver and blue scheme. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 7 14:30:32 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by GonzoUSN on Thu Jul 7 10:11:43 2016. The small doors near the headlights were for some sort of testing equipment and once the brake and other electrical systems were changed during GOH, they were no longer needed. The R-44s never had them. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 7 14:32:55 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 6 18:49:20 2016. They also showed up on the D although, the R-44s were removed from that line a few years earlier due to complaints from local residents along the Brighton Line that they were noisier than the equipment previously operated |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Thu Jul 7 15:45:29 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 6 19:34:27 2016. See! Even the train thought it was a special snowflake! |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 7 15:47:01 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by displaced angeleno on Thu Jul 7 15:45:29 2016. haha. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 7 15:58:23 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 7 14:27:53 2016. I remember a handful of R-9s getting the MTA colors w/the blue stripe. They looked awful in that paint. When graffiti vandals tagged then, they looked beyond awful, to say the least.Often wondered why the MTA re-painted some of the R-9s in the first place. Somone had to know that they would be scrapped in a few years, so why bother? |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 7 16:41:41 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 7 14:30:32 2016. Wasn't that where you plugged in the holster? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 7 17:05:54 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 7 15:58:23 2016. At the time the R-9s were repainted, the R-44 design was not yet complete so the MTA wasn’t quite sure how long the R-9s would have to be kept. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 7 17:07:56 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 7 16:41:41 2016. The hostler was actually inside the car at the non operating ends as well as above the control console to the right of the M/M’s vision glass. |
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