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Franklin's Bank subway map

Posted by PeterBee on Fri Jun 17 13:49:07 2016

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I realise that this won't be within anyone's living memory, but just wondered whether one might know anything about it.

In the 1930s, The Franklin's Savings Bank published a fold-up pocket map of the IND 8th Avenue Subway. I've found that the map (or, at least, the 1937 edition) was designed by Arthur Weindorf, who was Rapid Transit Construction Commissioner at the Board of Transportation, which of course ran the IND.

So, I was wondering whether the IND ever issued the Franklin's Bank map at change booths, as if it were an official map, because AFAIK they never published a pocket map of their own. (The TA later did a similar thing with the Union Dime subway map from 1954.)

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Re: Franklin's Bank subway map

Posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 18 11:20:40 2016, in response to Franklin's Bank subway map, posted by PeterBee on Fri Jun 17 13:49:07 2016.

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I don't remember the BoT or TA EVER giving out the maps of a commercial entity as their own. The Union Dime map wasa freebie ad piece for Union Dime SB. That map was one of several not designed by Hagstrom.

Unlike now maps from the TA were hard to come by. If you wanted to see maps you usually looked in a subway car. What official maps avaliable for distribution were made for them by Hagstrom until the TA tried their own design in 1958.


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Re: Franklin's Bank subway map

Posted by PeterBee on Sun Jun 26 22:24:37 2016, in response to Re: Franklin's Bank subway map, posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 18 11:20:40 2016.

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The Union Dime Savings Bank handed out the subway map (designed by Stephen Voorhies) at its bank branches. But they also sent batches of the map to the TA for handing out at change booths. TA memos: December 17, 1953, Sidney Bingham proposes to accept 50,000 copies of the Union Dime map for use in change booths. March 25, 1954 confirms that 40,000 were being distributed to change booths, and 10,000 were allocated for postal inquiries. May 20, 1954: proposes to get another 50,000 for the summer tourists. And so on. These memos are at the Transit Museum; but I could find no corresponding paper trail for the similar use of the Franklin Savings Bank's map in the 1930s. Hence my question.

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Re: Franklin's Bank subway map

Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 27 03:17:26 2016, in response to Franklin's Bank subway map, posted by PeterBee on Fri Jun 17 13:49:07 2016.

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I vaguely remember seeing an IND map on ebay, years back (late 90s?) that may have been this Franklin edition.

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Re: Franklin's Bank subway map

Posted by PeterBee on Mon Jun 27 23:01:27 2016, in response to Re: Franklin's Bank subway map, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 27 03:17:26 2016.

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The map you saw sounds like it was one of the Franklin Savings Bank pocket maps. I am aware of four editions, of which the following was the fourth (April 1937):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1937-New-York-City-NYC-FIRST-IND-SUBWAY-MAP-RARE-INDEPENDENT-Rare-/272286336176

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Re: Franklin's Bank subway map

Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Jun 28 08:58:18 2016, in response to Re: Franklin's Bank subway map, posted by PeterBee on Mon Jun 27 23:01:27 2016.

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That map has several interesting things in the bank's AD -

First, it proudly states that it has been at 42nd and 8 Ave for 70 years - the days when banks had very few t shows theibranches, if at all.

Second, where they say their banking hours - "Weekdays...except Saturday". We all have forgotten, if knew at all, that most people worked Saturdays - usually for a half day. If you have or have seen the 1939 BMT map/guide, they consider rush hours Mon-Fri, plus Saturday, with the outbound rush starting around noon.

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Re: Franklin's Bank subway map

Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jun 28 14:41:54 2016, in response to Re: Franklin's Bank subway map, posted by PeterBee on Mon Jun 27 23:01:27 2016.

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Thanks for your reply.

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