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Posted by caine515 on Fri May 27 09:43:46 2016, in response to Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 09:42:58 2016. where will the shuttle layup at? I am thinking a major bottleneck there on weekends. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 09:48:40 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by caine515 on Fri May 27 09:43:46 2016. Layup means the train is taken out of service and taken to a storage area. Inaccurate statement. They will be relayed for their return trip to Rock Park on the middle track north of Rockaway Blvd. |
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Posted by Stef on Fri May 27 09:56:02 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 09:48:40 2016. By way of 80th Street?-Stef |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 27 10:25:12 2016, in response to Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 09:42:58 2016. Amazing! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri May 27 10:41:35 2016, in response to Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 09:42:58 2016. The only people who would see an improvement are Rockaway Park riders who are going to Howard Beach, Aquaduct, Rockaway Blv, 104th, 111th or Lefferts.Both the Rockaway Park Shuttle and the Far Rockaway A Train operate at 15 minute headways during the period in question. Northbound the A is scheduled to arrive at Broad Channel 7 minutes after the Shuttle. Southbound the Far Rockaway A Train headways alternate between 13 and 17 minute headways. The Rockaway Park Shuttle still adheres to uniform 15 minute headways. The Shuttle leaves either 7 1/2 or 5 1/2 minutes after the A. The schedules should match to make the transfer seamless. The wait time should be reduced to 2 minutes. All it would take is matching the shuttle schedule to the Far Rockaway A Train. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 11:34:39 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri May 27 10:41:35 2016. If a passenger is on a Lefferts bound train from Manhattan, by catching the shuttle at Rockaway Blvd. they do not have to ride a Far Rick train to connect. That is the improvement. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 11:37:23 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 11:34:39 2016. Lol wowArticle at: http://www.mta.info/news/2016/05/26/mta-adds-service-area-beaches-kick-summer-season |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 11:38:07 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 11:37:23 2016. Sorry, hoped it was click able. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Fri May 27 12:08:23 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 11:37:23 2016. Linked |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 27 12:33:51 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri May 27 10:41:35 2016. Yup, that would be the sensible thing to do. It would avoid the need to bring the Rockaway Park shuttles over to the Queens mainland, something they changed the track alignment north of Broad Channel to be able to avoid doing. Likewise, the nighttime Lefferts Blvd. shuttles should be synchronized the same way with the A trains at Euclid, as the nighttime R shuttles should be with the N trains at 59 St-4 Av.But shouldn't the statement above about the current southbound headways say the Shuttle leaves either 9 1/2 or 5 1/2 minutes after the A (or some other numbers that differ by 4, as the A train headways do)? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri May 27 12:50:08 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 11:37:23 2016. LinkThe extension of the S Subway to Rockaway Blvd will allow southbound (beach-bound) customers to transfer to the S Subway from both the Lefferts Blvd A Subway train and the Far Rockaway A Subway train, effectively doubling southbound access to the S Subway. That's one of those statements that appears true but isn't. N.B. they did not say they were increasing the number of Rockaway Park Shuttles. They are only extending them. Here's why the statement isn't true. The Lefferts and Far Rockaway A Trains alternate at present. Suppose they continue the existing custom and operate the shuttle after the Far Rockaway Train. Then those who board a Lefferts train will have to let a Far Rockaway train pass before boarding a Rockaway Park shuttle. They might as well have waited for the Far Rockaway train in the first place. They will have gained nothing. Suppose they break tradition and operate the shuttle before the Far Rockaway train. Then riders on a Far Rockaway train will have to let a Lefferts Blv train pass before boarding a Rockaway Park shuttle. Riders bound for Rockaway Park would be advised to take the Lefferts Blv bound train and change for the shuttle at Rockaway Blv. The only difference for Rockaway Park access has been to re-arrange the deck chairs. I'm sure some highly paid managers received commendations for coming up with this one. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Fri May 27 13:14:16 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 11:34:39 2016. That's a major improvement. Often, the Far Rock "A" would be a few minutes late, so guess what? They would put the "S" into Broad Channel right on schedule ahead of the crowded A, so everyone on the "A" needed to wait 20 minutes for the next shuttle. That's why I'd usually use the Q35 instead. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 27 14:19:48 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by BrooklynTrain on Fri May 27 13:14:16 2016. They could avoid that by simply NOT putting the S in ahead of a Far Rockaway A that was delayed a few minutes. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 27 14:31:46 2016, in response to Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 09:42:58 2016. Yep. I saw that on the official site. A good thing, I'd say. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 27 17:05:20 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Stef on Fri May 27 09:56:02 2016. It would have to be. There are no switches immediately N/O Rock Blvd. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri May 27 18:52:38 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri May 27 10:41:35 2016. The schedules should match to make the transfer seamless. The wait time should be reduced to 2 minutes. All it would take is matching the shuttle schedule to the Far Rockaway A Train."Should" is the operative word, of course. Northbound, at least, the fumigation process prevents usage of maximum track capacity. If I understand correctly, the one crew member has to shut the doors then walk the train, while in the station (be it Broad Channel, or Rockaway Blvd). Actually, if fumigation is not expedited at Rockaway Blvd, the shuttle runs the risk of holding up the entire A line operation (not just one branch). The only way to shrink the gap northbound is to revise/eliminate the fumigation process somehow. Southbound, it shouldn't be much of a problem, but at the end of a long run from 207th the A train may not be running as close to schedule as is ideal. The benefit of using Rockaway Blvd rather than Broad Channel to relay, however, is that the shuttle does not have to cross the northbound track to begin its trip. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 19:27:05 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri May 27 18:52:38 2016. It will be full length trains with a conductor. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri May 27 20:35:52 2016, in response to Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 09:42:58 2016. Why bother? Just send the C all the way to Rockaway Park full time. |
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Posted by aaron on Fri May 27 21:04:57 2016, in response to Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 09:42:58 2016. So much for building the lay up track at Broad Channel... |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 09:04:09 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 19:27:05 2016. That's good to know, but I wonder if that will speed up fumigation?Anyway, I wonder how they will lay this out. Should the shuttle catch the Ozone Park train at Rockaway Blvd or should it just keep syncing with the Far Rock train? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 09:05:02 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by aaron on Fri May 27 21:04:57 2016. This is only about 24 hours out of a 168-hour week. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 09:10:46 2016, in response to Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 09:42:58 2016. Getting Rockaway Park passengers to Rockaway Blvd quicker is a good thing as the bus connections at Rockaway Blvd are worlds beyond what you have at Rockaway Blvd (which really is only the Q53 now if you are looking for the Queens mainland). As others have said, I don't see how this helps anyone going to Brooklyn / Manhattan, but assuming people from Woodhaven and points north want Belle Harbor and similar locations, there are other options for when the Q53 is inaccessible due to crowding. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 09:11:13 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 09:10:46 2016. Correction: "worlds beyond what you have at Rockaway Park" |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 28 09:37:17 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 09:05:02 2016. Also this isn't the first time they've done this, summer weekends when "times are good" would get the extended S and full length trains... |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat May 28 10:34:39 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 11:34:39 2016. If a passenger is on a Lefferts bound train from Manhattan, by catching the shuttle at Rockaway Blvd. they do not have to ride a Far Rick train to connect. That is the improvement.That's an illusion, as I pointed out. Suppose they operate the vitamin enriched Rockaway Park shuttle after the regularly scheduled Far Rockaway train. The passenger riding the Lefferts Blv train will have to wait on the Rockaway Blv platform and let the next train, a Far Rockaway train, pass. This passenger will experience no "improvement" regarding total riding time than if he boarded a Far Rockaway train in the first place. Suppose they operate the vitamin enriched Rockaway Park Shuttle before the regularly schedule Far Rockaway train. The passenger on the Lefferts train will have gain a better transfer. What about a passenger on a Far Rockaway bound train? This passenger will have to wait on the Rockaway Blv platform and let a Lefferts bound train pass before the shuttle comes in. He would be no better off than had he waited for Lefferts train in the first place. The only difference this scenario provides the passenger is that he should first take a Lefferts bound train rather than a Far Rockaway train. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat May 28 10:51:03 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 19:27:05 2016. It will be full length trains with a conductor.Leave it to the MTA to find the most expensive means to provide no service improvement. Costs are proportional to trip and train length. The existing Rockaway Shuttle operates 4/5 cars and takes 8 minutes. The new service will operate 8/10 cars and take 20 minutes. Given that service frequencies will remain the same, the relative new cost will be: (8/4) x (20/8) = 5 times greater than the present operation and provide no time savings. There is an alternative that would reduce waiting time for Rockaway Shuttle passengers and cost less. Operate the existing half-length Rockaway shuttle to transfer with the Far Rockaway train at Broad Channel. Operate an additional half-length Rockaway shuttle to tranfer with the Lefferts Blv train at Rockaway Blv. This means the Rockaway shuttle will operate 8 tph on Saturdays rather than 4 tph, with the same number of cars per hour as proposed. The relative cost for the new 4 tph service will be 2.5 because trains are half-length. Add to this the cost of the existing shuttle service (1). The cost for what I'm proposing is 3.5 vs. 5 for the NYCT "improvement." From the passenger's perspective, he can board either southbound A train. The Rockaway shuttle will be the next train at the transfer station. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 28 12:00:38 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 09:04:09 2016. I have no idea what the supplement schedule looks like and how well it connects with both branches at Rockaway Blvd. in both directions. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 28 12:10:11 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by aaron on Fri May 27 21:04:57 2016. Lock off the melodrama.Did you take time to read the the story which Dr. Casca linked? The extra service runs on summer weekends only from 9 AM to 9 PM. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 28 12:13:48 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 28 09:37:17 2016. The long trains have been in effect for summer weekends for many years.This is the first time the line has been extended to Rockaway Blvd. however. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 28 12:19:58 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 28 12:13:48 2016. Ah, I stand corrected. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 13:04:34 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 28 12:00:38 2016. Semi-related, do you or does anyone know why running time for the current Rock Park shuttle is so much less coming back to Rock Park than going to Broad Channel? I'm mainly interested because I'm trying to estimate total travel time for the shuttle going to Rock Blvd and wonder if whatever factors speed up the journey south would still be there. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 28 17:35:04 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat May 28 10:34:39 2016. I suppose it's an improvement that A passengers do not have to think about which type of A train they board. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 28 17:48:29 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by randyo on Fri May 27 17:05:20 2016. That is why what I would be doing is to have the following on weekends and holidays only:(C) is extended to and replaces the (A) to Lefferts from 11:00 PM Friday to 11:00 PM Sunday (runs 24 hours then and also replaces the late-night shuttle those nights) (A) runs exclusively to the Rockaways from 11:00 PM Friday to 11:00 PM Sunday with trains evenly split between Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park. That to me would be the way to do it. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 18:16:20 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 28 17:48:29 2016. C from 168th overnights? That's a hard sell, and probably way over the budgeted improvement. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat May 28 21:09:30 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 28 13:04:34 2016. Hmmm I never knew that.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 28 21:32:13 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 27 19:27:05 2016. Why is the shuttle going full length just because it is going to Rock Blvd? Is the ridership expected to be that heavy? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 28 21:35:40 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 28 17:48:29 2016. If you did that it would mean that the midnight headway to the individual Rockaway branches would become 40 min since the mainline headway is 20. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 28 21:37:52 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by randyo on Sat May 28 21:35:40 2016. Okay, maybe not overnights.Perhaps 7:30 AM-11:00 PM Saturday and 9:00 AM-11:00 PM Sunday would work that way with the (C) to Lefferts and (A) to the Rockaways (split evenly). |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 29 03:31:08 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by randyo on Sat May 28 21:32:13 2016. summer weekend service for beach goers. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 04:16:16 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 29 03:31:08 2016. Is there really any much beach to go to?Seems like everything has been replaced with high-rises, and Playland has long since sunk into the swamp. :) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 29 08:33:27 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by randyo on Sat May 28 21:32:13 2016. It has been full length summer weekends for many years now. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 29 12:55:24 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 04:16:16 2016. Yeah, true, but the beach itself hasn't been built upon. Rockaway is a hot area now, full of Brooklyn hipsters every weekend. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 18:57:56 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 29 12:55:24 2016. Well ... eventually they'll discover Jones Beach and the Jersey Shore if they ever get out more often. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 19:05:06 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 18:57:56 2016. Jones Beach is not hipstery enough. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 19:26:26 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 19:05:06 2016. Give it time. :) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 29 19:29:56 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 18:57:56 2016. You can't there by subway! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 19:51:17 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 29 19:29:56 2016. But you can fixie. :) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun May 29 20:22:47 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 19:51:17 2016. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 20:29:39 2016, in response to Re: Another Transit Improvement, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun May 29 20:22:47 2016. No worries! :)
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