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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Feb 9 10:43:41 2016  More Here: Spiegel.de Single track main line: Head on. Calling the dispatcher, where are you? Who makes your interlocking machines? ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 10:49:03 2016, in response to German Crash, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Feb 9 10:43:41 2016. Split one lead car open like a sardine can, much like the Amfleet car in North Philly. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 9 10:49:09 2016, in response to German Crash, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Feb 9 10:43:41 2016. Germany is still mostly manual block. No dispatchers. Just block operators.Once again the value of structural crash protection is proven. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Feb 9 11:00:22 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 9 10:49:09 2016. Nobody would dispute that structural crash protection has value. Focusing on it largely to the exclusion of proper signal protection is a huge mistake. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 9 11:11:11 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by fdtutf on Tue Feb 9 11:00:22 2016. One, Germany has proper signaling protection, two a small minority of crashes involve something that could be prevented by train control. Robust rolling stock protects against all incidents and allows for cost savings elsewhere. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 11:23:37 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by fdtutf on Tue Feb 9 11:00:22 2016. I don't know if it is realistic to prevent complete structural failure at these speeds. The track speed limit was 62MPH. |
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Posted by Bill West on Tue Feb 9 14:56:41 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 10:49:03 2016. From other pictures that is nothing more than the letterboard/outer skin being ripped off. Notice that the carbody it came from is still whole.Bill |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 14:57:59 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Bill West on Tue Feb 9 14:56:41 2016. More than enough to throw people out. |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Tue Feb 9 15:05:33 2016, in response to German Crash, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Feb 9 10:43:41 2016. From the Beeb, quoting a passenger:"At the first station, this train normally has to wait for five minutes or so for the opposite one to arrive. After a while, we started to move on to the next station without waiting for the opposite train," he told the BBC. |
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Posted by The silence on Tue Feb 9 15:27:26 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 9 11:11:11 2016. Don't use that "R" word. You're gonna cause K-car related PTSD. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 9 15:44:03 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 9 11:11:11 2016. "Robust" rolling stock protects against all incidentsNo, a head-on collision is a head-on collision. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 16:03:57 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 9 15:44:03 2016. Amazing only 10 dead (so far) which must include the engineers. Of course we don't know how many were in the 2 lead cars. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Feb 9 16:36:47 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Jon Bell on Tue Feb 9 15:05:33 2016. accident is now being blamed on block operator at that station who gave train permission. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Feb 9 16:40:21 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Feb 9 16:36:47 2016. sorry for automatic translation but here is latest : Bad Aibling . The fatal mistake of a block operator at the switchboard of Bad Aibling is apparently the reason for the train wreck with at least ten dead. This was reported by the editorial network Germany (RND), which also includes the MAZ heard citing investigators circles.After a railway official took the automatic signal system exceptionally overridden to "quasi by hand waving" a late railcar . The railcars have to avoid the oncoming train, must be timely achieve a so-called meeting point: There the otherwise single-track line is expanded to double track. But the railcars did not make it in time to that point. Yet the oncoming train got the green light. "The drove to compensation signal", it formulated an investigator. That means: On instructions from the interlocking of train drivers was entitled to continue, although the regular signal system was on red. Unsuspecting the engineer was then driven from the second track to the single-track section - and is controlled straight into disaster. http://m.maz-online.de/Nachrichten/Buntes/Fahrdienstleiter-winkt-Lokfuehrer-in-den-Tod |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 9 17:48:59 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by The silence on Tue Feb 9 15:27:26 2016. Too late!BULL! ABUSE! IGNORANCE! SHAME! 
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 18:26:06 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 9 11:11:11 2016. allows for cost savings elsewhereExcept for the fact that your heavier rolling stock either requires more energy, and the heavier trains may end up requiring more track maintenance... Robust rolling stock protects against all incidents Of course it does   
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 9 23:17:48 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by The silence on Tue Feb 9 15:27:26 2016.  Very Robust. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Feb 10 07:08:08 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 18:26:06 2016. Do you know how many ppl would have died on T188 if it was built to European standards? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Feb 10 07:11:00 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 11:23:37 2016. You try to have the stock glance off each other and then slide to a halt. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Feb 10 10:31:16 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 9 23:17:48 2016. Brutalist architecture, blech! |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Feb 12 07:57:12 2016, in response to Re: German Crash, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Feb 10 07:08:08 2016. Yes, none. It should by now be entirely obvious that FRA crashworthiness standards in no way significantly improve the outcome of the passengers relative to UIC equipment. Hell, the FRA has acknowledged that very simple fact, hence the alternate compliance procedures to introduce the UIC equipment we once were told was unsafe. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Feb 12 08:01:17 2016, in response to German Crash, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Feb 9 10:43:41 2016. Very sad to see. I thought I might have been on these tracks when I travelled from Munich to Salzburg back in 2008. But my IC train went through Rosenheim on the Munich-Rosenheim Railway, KBS 950/951, and this accident occurred on the Mangfall Valley Railway, KBS 958. |
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