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Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends) |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016 Just about every weekend, the wait for a Bay Ridge R train at 59th/4th is 30 to 45 minutes between 10pm and 12midnight. (After midnight, we get a service increase, since shuttle trains run every 20 minutes as opposed to 30 to 45 minutes for the full-route R train.) Happened again tonight: there were FOUR N trains before an R train finally appeared at 11:31pm towards Bay Ridge at 59th/4th. Of course, hundreds of people packed the platform (but many more were leaving to walk home after each N train pulled in, and/or in between the waits for N trains.)Problem is twofold: Less trains on the R in general (compared to Q, N and D - obviously no Q in Manhattan this weekend), and many R trains drop out at Whitehall. Do they need to start running the R shuttle at 9pm towards Bay Ridge? At least then we'll "only" have a 20 minute shuttle wait, compared to the 40 minute wait we have every weekend right now. Or if the J doesn't have trackwork, perhaps run the J to Bay Ridge instead on weekends. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 7 04:08:53 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. This is one of the things my idea of a new (Z) being a 24/7 line running the old "Bankers Special" route fixing. The (Z) can in this case cover for lack of (R) service late since it would run at all times to Manhattan (and extended late nights and weekends to Metropolitan) and end this problem. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 04:43:02 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. That's bad even for R line standards. The worse line in the system. |
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Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 04:43:02 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. That's bad even for R line standards. The worse line in the system. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 05:08:48 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 04:43:02 2016. Always cracked me up back in the day when you'd hear a 95th Street motorman hit the mike and give his call as the "pirate train, arr-arr". That line always sucked. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 7 05:35:36 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. Judging from the schedule, that sounds like 2 out of every 3, or 3 out of every 4 are dropping out. Exactly what is causing the R to do this? Trains are failing? Lousy dispatching? Otherwise, I agree they should start the shuttle much earlier, at the expense of D and N express service. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 7 05:38:45 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. Oh, and make sure the shuttle is coordinated with the N and/or D trains. No more than a 5 minute wait, even if it means waiting for a late connection. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 07:51:18 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. Write up a detailed, and angry letter to Prendergast AND every member of the MTA Board AND Governor Cuomo that such deviant behavior and service delivery by service planners and/or dispatchers is NOT acceptable. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Feb 7 08:28:25 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 05:08:48 2016. Roy Rogers would have a good name for the RR. Nowadays it's the Ricky in Queens and Ralph in Manhattan and Brooklyn. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Feb 7 09:01:06 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 04:43:02 2016. Did you ever work the R? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 11:49:29 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 05:08:48 2016. Do they have any TOs or CRs these days that personalize their trains? Back in the 70s there was a guy on the A train that always announced his train as the "Rocket A train to Far Rock." |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 11:50:44 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 07:51:18 2016. Why aren't the local politicos being pressured by the residents and the Community Board if it's this bad? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Feb 7 11:58:32 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 07:51:18 2016. If this occurrence is happening on a regular basis, I'd pull out my camera / video recorder setup - with the included running date / time stamp and record the crowds on the platform and the waiting times, and the other trains coming and going. Include video commentary from the riders that are also waiting for the R-train. Then I'd send this video each night to the regular news and cable news stations, and other news media - EVERY NIGHT of this regular occurrence.Build up the anticipation of these videos - that basically says "yes, the R-train is screwing up". There will be a response from the MTA because the video evidence is there, that backs up the claims. This kind of evidence also gets the political folk on your side, etc. Again - all of this to improve the service on the R-train, which is something that can be done. The MTA has the money, the manpower, the equipment - it just needs the will power. The will-power has to be provided by involving others in this cause. Mike |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 12:04:41 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Michael549 on Sun Feb 7 11:58:32 2016. If it's every night at the same time, possibly there's just a glitch in the schedule that needs to be fixed, with one or two more R trains that shouldn't be turned at Whitehall. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 12:14:23 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. Something's wrong as the timetables call for 12 mins headway from 10-11 and 20 mins thereafter. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Feb 7 12:16:19 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. Extend it to Atlantic Avenue to provide transfers or even better... restore Late Night R service! |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 12:29:26 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 12:14:23 2016. Specifically, it looks like the 10:22 from Forest Hills is getting dropped or turned at Whitehall when the schedule calls for it to run to Bay Ridge, thus leaving nothing between the 10:01 and the 10:42.Link |
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Posted by SI 93 on Sun Feb 7 12:33:56 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 05:08:48 2016. This is why a new storage yard south of 95th St under 4th Av is really needed, this would avoid having R trains being stored on the southbound express tracks between 36th St and 95th St and using either the 38th St or Coney Island rail yards. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Feb 7 12:34:37 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 05:08:48 2016. Rarely Rolling |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Feb 7 12:39:30 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 12:04:41 2016. From a previous message:"If it's every night at the same time, possibly there's just a glitch in the schedule that needs to be fixed, with one or two more R trains that shouldn't be turned at Whitehall." Let's say that you are perfectly correct. (I have no information that contradicts what you're saying, nor I am trying in any way to contradict your point.) Again, let's say that you are perfectly correct. The point is how to bring the long wait times to the attention of the MTA, and to get the problem resolved that benefits the riders. I simply suggested one means of getting attention to the problem. Let the MTA fix their problem! Whether it is a time schedule change, or keeping certain trains in service, etc. Bring attention to the problem, and the affect the problem is having on the riders! Just my thoughts. Mike |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 13:19:51 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 12:04:41 2016. Does the schedule indicate there are to be 30 - 45 minute gaps in service ? I think not. I think it a dispatching issue. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 13:38:59 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 12:29:26 2016. Good supposition. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 18:08:31 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Feb 7 08:28:25 2016. He did have a habit of branding everything, including Dale. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 18:09:14 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 11:49:29 2016. I doubt it, though that would be WAY cool. I never saw anything wrong with doing your job professionally and still having some fun with it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 18:10:00 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Feb 7 12:34:37 2016. Heh. You know how it worked. :)And when they did roll, it was usually backwards coming out of the put-in. |
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Posted by Falcon1209 on Sun Feb 7 20:35:10 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. After 10Pm,the R to Brooklyn is generally on a 20 minute because every other R train terminates at Whitehall St. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 20:45:30 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 18:09:14 2016. Fun in today's gig?Sometimes I get the impression one could get written up for smiling on the job. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 21:21:07 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 20:45:30 2016. It happened back then too, which is why I always enjoyed getting some 32's when I was a conductor just to practice my radio spiel. Time and temperature along with your next stop. :) |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Feb 7 21:56:33 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 21:21:07 2016. Hahaa, Time and Temperature. Are/Were you guys really trained on how to list different stations as conductors? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 22:08:38 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BusRider on Sun Feb 7 21:56:33 2016. We had our little blue book, our maps, and we posted the lines we worked to know it inside out before working it. I was lucky enough to end up working my home line, the D so that made it even more mindless. :)I usually worked arnines, so when I got a PA to play with, I did it up. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Feb 7 22:17:02 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 22:08:38 2016. I can imagine! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 23:05:19 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Falcon1209 on Sun Feb 7 20:35:10 2016. 12 minute headway from 10 to 11, per timetable. 20 minutes after 11. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 8 00:12:59 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 23:05:19 2016. In fairness, virtually every weekend they run a supplement schedules, many times different each weekend, not on the MTA website, which usually extends headways.The regular schedule, late PM on Sat./Sun., has a bit of time where every other train turns at Whitehall. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 8 00:16:41 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 8 00:12:59 2016. When those trains go back to Queens, 95 is running an extended headway where these trains shorten the gap when they go back north from Whitehall. I no longer have home access to supplement schedules. I only have MTA.info for regular schedules like you guys. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 8 04:57:03 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 13:19:51 2016. I checked the posted evening schedule on www.mta.info, and the gap shouldn't be that long, about 15-20 mins max. They take out every other R train for a period of time, but they're also assuming that the following R trains will get to 95 St faster than the previous ones which would narrow the gaps. What if that's not true, that late evening traffic is heavier than earlier evening traffic? Maybe that's what's causing the delays? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 8 04:57:31 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 13:19:51 2016. I checked the posted evening schedule on www.mta.info, and the gap shouldn't be that long, about 15-20 mins max. They take out every other R train for a period of time, but they're also assuming that the following R trains will get to 95 St faster than the previous ones, which would narrow the gaps. What if that's not true, that late evening traffic is heavier than earlier evening traffic? Maybe that's what's causing the delays? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 8 10:42:53 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 8 04:57:03 2016. Due to weekend GO's, every weekend there are different supplement schedules on the R which means the schedule is different than what is posted on the MTA website. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 8 10:49:06 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. I would say that as long as they can't keep up 20 minute intervals, the shuttle should start running and the N should begin using the tunnel.Or if this is cost-prohibitve, then for the time period in question, have every R end at Whitehall, use the savings on that to beef up N service slightly to every 10 minutes and run alternating Ns to 95th, preferably through the tunnel. In this case, the costs would be relatively neutral. Passengers would just need to be informed. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 8 14:44:00 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 8 10:42:53 2016. Thanks for the info. Still, maybe they should cut the R riders some slack, since this seems to be going on nearly every weekday and weekend. Start the shuttle earlier, even if it means ending D and N express service earlier. Bay Ridge is as hot a neighborhood as Ridgewood or Williamsburgh. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 8 15:06:01 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 8 14:44:00 2016. And as I said elsewhere if you run the N through the tunnel as well then you can turn 100% of R trains at Whitehall if you want during that time.If you have a well-timed (or guaranteed) connection between the N and R at 59th you're all set. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Feb 8 15:15:45 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 8 15:06:01 2016. All of those are great ideas - now the task to let the MTA KNOW that there is a problem.Mike |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 8 23:26:36 2016, in response to Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Feb 7 00:12:25 2016. One way to complain about this is to the office of State Senator Daniel Squadron. He is taking credit for prodding the MTA to do a line review of the R, which is underway. I know for a fact he has an interest in this issue. So email his office with these horror stories. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 8 23:28:24 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by Michael549 on Mon Feb 8 15:15:45 2016. As I just posted -One way to complain about this is to the office of State Senator Daniel Squadron. He is taking credit for prodding the MTA to do a line review of the R, which is underway. I know for a fact he has an interest in this issue. So email his office with these horror stories. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 09:02:40 2016, in response to Re: Late evening problems continue with R to Bay Ridge (on weekends), posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 8 23:26:36 2016. Line review is a good thing, but what get produced from it ?On the C train, they rescheduled a shoulder rush train to run an hour later and stepped up Sunday morning service. That really does not do much. |
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