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Posted by Dan on Sat Feb 6 11:04:30 2016, in response to Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by andy on Sat Feb 6 10:57:36 2016. The pre-1959 pattern must have screwed up many a rush hour. What was the reasoning behind it? |
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Posted by andy on Sat Feb 6 11:08:41 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by Dan on Sat Feb 6 11:04:30 2016. Biggest problem was the 5 car platforms south of 96th Street at the local stations. Broadway Express trains to/from 242nd St. could only run on express tracks south of 96th, and had to be switched. 7th Ave. Locals to/from 145/Lenox also had to be switched N of 96th because these trains (today's #3 but local S of 96) provided the 24/7 local service south of 96th Street. Broadway Locals between 137 and S Ferry did not run nights and Sundays. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Feb 6 11:26:50 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by andy on Sat Feb 6 11:08:41 2016. Wasn't that at one time an at-grade track crossing or am I thinking of somewhere else on the IRT? |
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Posted by Joe on Sat Feb 6 12:29:51 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by Dan on Sat Feb 6 11:26:50 2016. For twenty of the years we lived on Marble Hill, Broadway-7th Avenue expresses were our only service. Certainly, I can recall (as a member of the flat-nose club) waiting for a Lenox Local to cross in front of us as we approached 96th Street. However, the ability to run express thereafter was remarkable. I think the only restrictive timer was on the dip into 42nd Street station, where there once had been a derailment.--- Northbound, we would cross over from express to local at 96th Street. Yes, these were at-grade crossings, and they did sometimes block other traffic. However, I have to state that the advertised high-speed local could be a pain because of holds. For seven years in the 1960's, I traveled from Marble Hill to South Ferry on Saturday afternoons. Would I win the gamble of moving to an express at 96th Street? At least half the time, I awaited my original local at Chambers Street. The other 50% of the time, I would catch his leader. --- Nowadays, northbound and southbound expresses meet restrictive timers that needlessly take the rapid out of rapid transit. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 6 15:00:21 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by Joe on Sat Feb 6 12:29:51 2016. Yeah, now it's leisurely transit. You'll get there - eventually. |
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Posted by andy on Sat Feb 6 18:22:21 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by Dan on Sat Feb 6 11:26:50 2016. It was and still is an at grade crossing, just south of where the tracks separate north of 96th and go either to Lenox or Upper Broadway. That's why the 1959 route modifications are still in effect, to eliminate daily crossover use and the resultant delays. There is also a crossover between the N and S Express tracks, in use today because the #3 did not operate N of 96th in revenue service. It relayed in the lower level express tunnel. |
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Posted by Joe on Sat Feb 6 20:07:50 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by andy on Sat Feb 6 18:22:21 2016. I'm much puzzled by Andy's statement, "The #3 did not operate N of 96th in revenue service. It relayed in the lower level express tunnel." Back issues of the ERA NY Division Headlights should clarify this. In the 1940's and through most of the 1950's, there were 5-car Lenox Avenue locals, terminating at 145th and Lenox. On the express track at 96th Street, you had Broadway-7th Avenue Expresses to Van Cortlandt Park and 7th Avenue Expresses to (and here I can be wrong) Bronx Park, the stub-end terminal closed in 1952. I do not recall any variation when locals terminated at 96th Street. I think the Lenox Avenue locals did not run at all hours in the 1940's, as the 137th Street locals did. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 6 20:41:39 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by Joe on Sat Feb 6 20:07:50 2016. At one time, the IRT and BMT did not run exp service overnight. The Bway service from V/C ran lcl in Manhattan and Xed over N/O Chambers St. Wets Farms expresses stopped running at night as did the 241 Wh POl Rd Lex expresses which were the main service from WPR at the time. Booth the West Farms exps and Lex/WPR exps were replaced by 7 Av lcls that ran from 241 WPR to So//Fy and Xed over to the lcl at 96 St. 145 St service was provided by shuttles that operated to 96 St and turned back S/O the station using the Xover between the exp tks which was removed when the 96 St platform were extended south circa 1959. At some point (i’m not sure when) Lenox service stopped running at all overnight and the Bway V/C trains began to run exp in Manhattan. I should mention that IRT 10 car exps cut to 5 cars overnight except on Friday PMs when they were cut to the 7 car consists that IRT expresses ran on weekends. |
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Posted by andy on Sat Feb 6 21:07:41 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by Joe on Sat Feb 6 20:07:50 2016. Sorry for the confusion. By "today" I meant this weekend (Feb 6 and 7, 2016) due to the GO in effect, the #3 was turned at 96th St. Did not mean in general in the contemporary era. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 6 23:41:19 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 6 20:41:39 2016. I remember riding on seven-car 2 trains on Saturdays in the late 70s. |
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Posted by milantram on Sun Feb 7 13:40:41 2016, in response to Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by andy on Sat Feb 6 10:57:36 2016. With this changeover, the last Hi-Vs were retired. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 16:03:40 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by milantram on Sun Feb 7 13:40:41 2016. They may have been retired from passenger service, but they remained in work service at least another year. I was going to high school near V/C at the time and I remember seeing work trains with Hi-Vs in V/C station well into 1960. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 8 16:17:25 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by Dan on Sat Feb 6 11:04:30 2016. The switching north of 96th St goes back to the 1904 opening, when the upper west side of Manhattan was not developed. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Feb 8 16:41:22 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by andy on Sat Feb 6 21:07:41 2016. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.I was thinking that if there was a Broadway local service from South Ferry to 96th Street, would have been a simpler way. Just leave that terminating local train on the local tracks at 96th Street and send that train to the middle track north of the 96th Street station but closer to the 103rd Street station on the #1 line for the terminate/relay operation? Just a thought. Mike |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Feb 9 01:30:12 2016, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - February 6, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 6 23:41:19 2016. Weekend seven-car 6 trains were common in the mid 90s. |
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