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W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 20 10:21:41 2015

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Hello to you all subchats, well, with the first three stations of Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opening in December 2016 and with the Q train going to be extended to serve the first three stations including the existing Lexington Av/63rd St station, what is the fate of the W train returning. There was an article a few months ago in AM New York that the W train might return when Phase I of the 2nd Av opens.

Has anyone heard if the W train will return, if the W train returns, will the W train end at Whitehall St or will it be extended into Brooklyn terminating where, how many subway car sets do the W train needs if it terminates at Whitehall St or for Brooklyn service and will the AM and PM subway car sets on the Q train remain the same when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens.

Any of your help is greatly appreciated subchats, I would like to hear back from you on this.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Michael549 on Sun Dec 20 10:48:15 2015, in response to W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 20 10:21:41 2015.

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I believe that other than wishing, hoping and dreaming - NO real official information has been given out.

I seems very logical that the W-train would be revived in some form, and a few suggestions of train service re-arrangements have been posted and proposed.

Right now, all we can do is "wait and see".

All we can say for certain is that the Q-train will be extended up the Second Avenue stub-way.

Mike



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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by r17-6599 on Sun Dec 20 11:17:35 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Michael549 on Sun Dec 20 10:48:15 2015.

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SI93, et al. If you live in or near the city, why not stopinto the 2nd Av Subway field office / info center on 2nd at about 84-85th street. They have good hand out info and lots of videos and models to gawk at.
The info may be prelim. as the MTA can change its plans.


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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 20 11:21:16 2015, in response to W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 20 10:21:41 2015.

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How many of you actually believe that the SAS will open its first 3 stations in Dec, 2016?

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 20 11:24:16 2015, in response to W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 20 10:21:41 2015.

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I'd bet on yes. Astoria needs two lines and there shouldn't be any car issues once the R179's get here.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 20 11:26:49 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 20 11:24:16 2015.

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They have to do something to add more capacity in the 60th Street tunnel once the Q goes away, even if they don't actually call it the W.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Dec 20 11:34:31 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 20 11:21:16 2015.

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How many of you actually believe that the SAS will open its first 3 stations in Dec, 2016?

If we can believe in Santa Claus,76th Street and the Easter Bunny I suppose that we can believe in the Second Avenue Subway.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 20 11:56:20 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 20 11:21:16 2015.

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If I had to bet, I'd go for somewhere in 2017 but not much later. Based on the pics, so much is done and ready.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 20 11:58:25 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Michael549 on Sun Dec 20 10:48:15 2015.

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In order to reduce switching delays there should be this arrangement.
N and Q to 96th. Express
W Local 20 TPH Astoria to Whitehall

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 20 12:01:16 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by AlM on Sun Dec 20 11:26:49 2015.

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30 TPH should be enough. What they need to do is remove the switch move at 34th St.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 20 12:01:16 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by AlM on Sun Dec 20 11:26:49 2015.

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30 TPH should be enough. What they need to do is remove the switch move at 34th St.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 12:36:21 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by AlM on Sun Dec 20 11:26:49 2015.

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They have to do something to add more capacity in the 60th Street tunnel...

According to the latest (6 Dec 2015) schedule, the 60th St Tunnel can still handle 40 tph. Here's an extract of the schedule makers arrival times at Lex/59th St (that's what NYCT calls the station) showing the scheduled arrival times, route, destination, origin, origin departure time, origin travel time to Lex and headway.


"arrival time";"route";"destination","origin departure time";"originating station id";"originating station name";"travel time from originating station";"headway"
"08:08:30";"Q";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"07:53:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:15:30";"00:03:00"
"08:10:30";"R";"BAY RIDGE - 95 ST";"07:41:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:29:00";"00:02:00"
"08:13:30";"N";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"07:56:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:17:30";"00:03:00"
"08:15:30";"R";"59 ST";"07:47:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:28:00";"00:02:00"
"08:18:30";"Q";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"08:02:30";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:16:00";"00:03:00"
"08:21:30";"R";"BAY RIDGE - 95 ST";"07:53:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:28:00";"00:03:00"
"08:24:00";"N";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"08:08:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:16:00";"00:02:30"
"08:27:30";"R";"59 ST";"07:59:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:28:00";"00:03:30"
"08:29:00";"Q";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"08:12:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:17:00";"00:01:30"
"08:32:00";"N";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"08:16:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:16:00";"00:03:00"
"08:34:00";"R";"BAY RIDGE - 95 ST";"08:05:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:28:30";"00:02:00"
"08:36:00";"Q";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"08:19:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:17:00";"00:02:00"
"08:38:30";"N";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"08:22:30";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:16:00";"00:02:30"
"08:40:00";"R";"BAY RIDGE - 95 ST";"08:11:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:28:30";"00:01:30"
"08:42:00";"Q";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"08:26:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:16:00";"00:02:00"
"08:46:00";"N";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"08:30:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:16:00";"00:04:00"

and in the pm rush hour

"16:35:00";"Q";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"16:21:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:14:00";"00:03:30"
"16:36:30";"R";"BAY RIDGE - 95 ST";"16:10:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:26:00";"00:01:30"
"16:42:30";"Q";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"16:28:30";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:14:00";"00:06:00"
"16:44:00";"R";"BAY RIDGE - 95 ST";"16:18:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:25:30";"00:01:30"
"16:45:30";"N";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"16:30:00";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:15:30";"00:01:30"
"16:48:00";"R";"BAY RIDGE - 95 ST";"16:23:00";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:25:00";"00:02:30"
"16:51:30";"N";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"16:37:30";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:14:00";"00:03:30"
"16:55:30";"R";"BAY RIDGE - 95 ST";"16:30:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:25:00";"00:04:00"
"16:57:00";"Q";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"16:42:30";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:14:30";"00:01:30"
"17:00:30";"R";"BAY RIDGE - 95 ST";"16:34:30";"G08S";"Forest Hills - 71 Av";"00:26:00";"00:03:30"
"17:02:30";"Q";"CONEY ISLAND - STILLWELL AV";"16:48:30";"R01S";"Astoria - Ditmars Blvd";"00:14:00";"00:02:00"


You should be able to cut and paste into a spreadsheet.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 20 12:49:39 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 20 11:58:25 2015.

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No need for that. Just have the N skip 49th St. N and W/R merge moved to north of 57th St.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 20 12:50:56 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Dec 20 11:34:31 2015.

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I want to believe. But no. Sometime in 2017 is also being optimistic.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 20 12:53:53 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Dec 20 11:34:31 2015.

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The launching ceremony for the Starship Enterprise< will occur before revenue trains start running under Second Avenue.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 20 13:01:34 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 20 11:58:25 2015.

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Way over-served SAS.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 20 13:05:49 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Dec 20 11:34:31 2015.

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A principle of software development is you know that the delivery date may require a slip and often multiple slips, but you know that every time you issue one you set yourself up for a new slip on the next deadline.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 20 13:10:11 2015, in response to W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 20 10:21:41 2015.

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Common sense argues that the W is restored for Astoria and Broadway Local service and the N moved back to the Express

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 13:11:13 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 20 13:05:49 2015.

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A principle of software development is you know that the delivery date may require a slip and often multiple slips, but you know that every time you issue one you set yourself up for a new slip on the next deadline.

Von Neumann's Law: The time interval to the promised delivery of any software is a constant, independent of time.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 20 13:29:01 2015, in response to W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 20 10:21:41 2015.

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That is a year a way. Even if they tell you anything today they will surely change it before the line opens. And then, once it does open, they will make more changes because the people who run and plan the MTA are not as far sighted as your LION.!

ROAR

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 20 13:31:11 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 20 12:49:39 2015.

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NO MERGES! Keep your filthy hands off of my nice interlocking levers!

ROAR

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 20 13:37:58 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 20 13:01:34 2015.

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LION does not think so.

NOBODY will use the 2nd Avenue subway unless service is just as good as on Lexington. Lazy Service is NO SERVICE.

(Q) + (N) to Second Avenue (63rd Street - Bridge Routes)
(R) + (W) Broadway Local (60th Street - Tunnel Route)

(W) Trains should terminate at 9th Avenue / 36th Street (Lower Lever) so that switching will not interfere with following trains as had happened at Whitehall Street. Perhaps outside of Rush Hour such trains can terminate at Whitehall if schedules allow. When the (N) train is not running, the (W) can cover the Sea Beach line.

ROAR

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by chud1 on Sun Dec 20 14:20:10 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 20 12:53:53 2015.

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IAWTP!
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:).....

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 20 15:02:14 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Dec 20 11:34:31 2015.

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Look, we can take it with a grain of salt.... But a fifty pound cow lick?


ROAR

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Dec 20 15:19:32 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 20 11:58:25 2015.

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20 tph W would leave no room for the R.


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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 20 15:25:27 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 20 13:31:11 2015.

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The merges have to be done somewhere so have them at the place where they can be accomplished most smoothly.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 20 15:29:37 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 20 13:37:58 2015.

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N train needs to be a full time service via the Sea Beach. Q service by itself will certainly draw passengers away from Lex since an empty 600 ft train would definitely be preferable to a packed 510 ft train coming from the Bronx even at slightly longer headways then Lex.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Dec 20 15:35:38 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 12:36:21 2015.

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The average headway would seem to be between 2 and 3 minutes, meaning between 20 and 30 tph. How do you figure 40?

I'm wondering about that 6 minute gap in the PM. And a destination of "59 ST" at a station called 59 St. is confusing.


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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 20 15:39:48 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Michael549 on Sun Dec 20 10:48:15 2015.

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I understand that demographics have changed over the years, however, immediately post Chrystie, the Astoria branch was served only by the RR and with 8 car trains of 60 footers. I can’t see the need for another complete service to go to Astoria when a slight increase in service on the N should suffice to handle the number of passengers coming from Astoria and LIC.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 20 15:58:14 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 12:36:21 2015.

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How long does a merge/switch take, or does it depend on individual dispatchers and crews?

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 15:59:38 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Dec 20 15:35:38 2015.

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The average headway would seem to be between 2 and 3 minutes, meaning between 20 and 30 tph. How do you figure 40?

Headways depend on two things: the ability of the signals/dwell times to handle the headways and operating trains to meet the headway. The first can be tested by operating trains at various headways. This will establish a minimum headway.

Did you notice any 90 second headways?

There were 5 such examples.

The merge is at 11th St in Queens. If the tunnel signals could not handle 90 second headways, their arrival at Lex/59th would not show a 90 second headway.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 16:02:00 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 20 15:58:14 2015.

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A merge should take around 60 seconds. The train is moving at 10 mph (15 fps). It will travel 900 feet in that time. That allows for 600 feet of train length and 300 feet of interlock.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 20 16:08:35 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 12:36:21 2015.

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How closely is that schedule is adhered to ?
We know the R train schedule is a science fiction novel.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 20 16:09:29 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 16:02:00 2015.

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Would you explain the 300 feet of interlock part?

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by WillD on Sun Dec 20 16:22:33 2015, in response to W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 20 10:21:41 2015.

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They should call it the T train just to give us something to yammer on about. Come on NYCT, we gave you the M via Chrystie, you could return the favor.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 20 16:34:52 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 12:36:21 2015.

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Did you mean six examples? Also, did you type this up or was this from the MTA GTFS data?

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 20 16:38:30 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 16:02:00 2015.

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Yeah, but there's also clearing the signals, releasing and getting up to speed following your new leader so two minutes is more realistic.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 20 16:40:48 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 20 13:31:11 2015.

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Unavoidable.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 20 16:42:26 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 20 13:31:11 2015.

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Problem with interlocking levers though is that if they sit there unmoved for very long and then you need to pull them, they're stuck. :)

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 20 16:53:02 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by AlM on Sun Dec 20 11:26:49 2015.

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Sorry, I meant add more trains per hour than those that would remain in the 60th street tunnel once the Q doesn't go there. I did not mean add more maximum possible trains per hour to the tunnel.



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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 20 17:14:56 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 20 12:50:56 2015.

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Bookmarked.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by zac on Sun Dec 20 17:26:37 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 20 11:21:16 2015.

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If DiBlasio rides it in an "inaugural" run, it'll be 2018. If Bloomberg does, it'll be 2019, if Giuliani does it'll be 2020. If John V. Lindsay does, it'll be doomed. And fugheddabout Beame or Dinkins.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 18:05:35 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 20 16:34:52 2015.

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Did you mean six examples?

Yes. If the signal system will allow such train headways, it would allow such headways continuously if the trains were supplied.

did you type this up or was this from the MTA GTFS data?

It's from the MTA GTFS data, untouched by my human hands.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sun Dec 20 18:11:31 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 20 13:05:49 2015.

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IME, a salaried software developer who consistently misses deadlines risks being called out for it in year-end reviews and a concomitant lower-than-hoped-for raise and/or bonus. A freelancer doing the same risks losing clients.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 18:18:06 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 20 16:09:29 2015.

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Would you explain the 300 feet of interlock part?

That's the distance between signals on either side of the switch. It's usually a little shorter.

I've approximated this distance 3 ways. I've looked at the chaining marking on the signals. I've seen trains on the switch and used the car lengths between the signals as measurement units. I've also viewed outdoor switches on Google Maps satellite view and used their measuring tool.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 20 18:27:57 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 13:11:13 2015.

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Thanks to Wall Street and lazy coders, Von Neumann's Law has been rescinded. Thanks to the new "continual improvement process", software is now delivered by the deadline at all times. If it's broken, we'll apply another bandaid to it next month which will introduce new bugs and break the previous version.

Delivery, no problem. Working? LOL!

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 20 19:00:17 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 20 13:37:58 2015.

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Great post! I fully agree! This would certainly draw passengers from the LEX. There needs to be an actual passenger connection between Lex/59 and Lex/63.

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by Michael549 on Sun Dec 20 19:05:15 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by randyo on Sun Dec 20 15:39:48 2015.

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From a previous message:

"I can’t see the need for another complete service to go to Astoria when a slight increase in service on the N should suffice to handle the number of passengers coming from Astoria and LIC."

I know that in the past I've recommended that the W-train be revived serving Astoria as a full-time local with Q & N trains serving the Second Avenue segment.

I know that other folks have suggested other arrangements.

I also know that regardless of what-ever has been suggested in the past, what-ever seems "logical", or how ever "necessary" an idea appears based upon our thinking about the topic - that the MTA will make up their own minds and do what-ever they are going to do.

Unless, I'm very wrong - I believe that the MTA has decided that the Q-train will travel along Second Avenue, and that anything related to a possible revival of a W-train route has not been confirmed as of yet by the MTA. The MTA, again, will do what ever it is that they will want to do.

We are mere spectators along for the ride, and in control of nothing.

Mike



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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 20 19:30:58 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by randyo on Sun Dec 20 15:29:37 2015.

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Also the Q will have NTT vs the old SMEEs on the 6.. and climate controlled stations on SAS is another bonus, remaining UES Lex riders will be burning up during the summer where's SAS subway riders will be nice and cool...

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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?.

Posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 20 19:32:43 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 20 18:05:35 2015.

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I've downloaded the zip file and transitioned the files into Excel, I'm not seeing at this moment how you got the travel time from origin and time between trains, currently I'm looking in the "trips" and "stop_times" tabs?


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