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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 24 21:54:33 2015, in response to 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 24 21:40:56 2015. Well ... for your amusement, uptown and downtown - 32's was best I could do. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 24 22:04:00 2015, in response to 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 24 21:40:56 2015. Nice memory. Thanks for sharing.I recall only riding R-10s on CPW, always wanted to ride the R1-9's, but always ending up taking the "A". |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 24 22:26:30 2015, in response to 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 24 21:40:56 2015. Awesome! I don't remember the date, but I remember my very first IND ride which also included the CPW express (s/b). When I was 9 y/o in Spring '75 we moved to Grand Concourse near Tremont Ave. A few weeks later My Mom, brother and I were headed down to midtown, and we boarded the D (R-42) train at Tremont Ave. I remember being totally floored when the train entered the station as it was the first time I was seeing a IND/BMT class car. Prior to moving to this area we lived near West Farms Sq, and all of my subway riding had been on the 2 & 5 with the occasional ride on the 7 line.In the coming weeks/months I was introduced to the R-44, R-32, R-10, R-38 R-40, and who could forget the arnines. Memories are great, huh? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 24 22:30:40 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 24 22:26:30 2015. Yeah, with the IRT owning the Bronx and being so ... pedestrian, and the BMT afraid to venture there, the IND was something majestic. :)When I joined the teeyay, I was originally going to A division. Fortunately, on the first day of school car, volunteers were sought for B division and I leaped. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 24 22:33:35 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 24 21:54:33 2015. Thanks for posting them! If ya can't be out railfanning on the "A" tonight, (I'm watching these at my dining room table on Long Island), then these vids are the next best thing.Turn out the lights when you watch them, and it can almost kinda feel like you're standing at the RFW. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 24 23:14:47 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 24 22:33:35 2015. I was really hoping to find some arnine footage because watching those was actually kinda painful as to how slow trains run it these days. 6 minutes end to end with timers back in the day, that just hurt to watch. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Nov 25 00:30:57 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 24 23:14:47 2015. I agree - all who rode CPW back in the day, remember the speed.Strangely enough, you might remember there was arnine footage included in Zeppelin's concert film, The Song Remains the Same - this was a flim of a concert either partly, or wholly in NYC (? saw it years back, late 80s, on video - don't remember further details). I'm assuming the arnine segments were an allusion to Zep's volume/"noise," comparing their sound "that goes to eleven" with the NY subway - did Brits entirely produce this film? If so, inserting the arnine clips, could have been for the novelty of the subway as one example of NY's energy* (as perceived by an English audience). (*remember the lyrics, "the rumble of the subway train" in the old "Lullabye of Broadway" song) Anyhow, I always wondered how much total arnine footage was shot and unused by the producers, ending up on the cutting room floor. Maybe some kind of serious film researcher could contact original people involved - ask of any was saved and if so what archive is it stored in. Though, from the stories I've heard about unreleased tapes, these films if saved, could be in someone's storage unit out in the English hinterlands. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 25 01:17:18 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Express Rider on Wed Nov 25 00:30:57 2015. Don't think I've ever seen that. I was hoping to find one of the runs of the arnines on CPW doing almost full speed in recent videos, but none of them turned up in a fast googling. I'm sure they're out there though. Since the arnines never had their field shunting killed, they can still do it with enough clear signals ahead. Maybe jack up the railroad for 10-15 minutes, then let them roll maybe. :) |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 25 16:53:50 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 24 22:30:40 2015. Well from what I know, while the IRT might be supreme in the Bronx, the BMT reigns supreme in Brooklyn and holds its own in Manhattan, so it's like an old fashioned Mexican standoff---as we say out here. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 25 16:56:36 2015, in response to 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 24 21:40:56 2015. Congrats and happy memories :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 25 17:26:35 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 25 16:53:50 2015. Yep ... merely explaining why the IND was so special up north. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 25 17:26:49 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 24 23:14:47 2015. Although the trains could make it in 6 min, the running time 125 to 59 as I remember it was 7 min. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 25 17:32:28 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 25 17:26:49 2015. Well ... you do have to add dwell time. :)Now it's more like 10 if you're lucky. :( |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 25 17:32:59 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 24 22:30:40 2015. The BMT wasn’t afraid to venture into the Bronx and it’s predecessor the BRT actually almost ended up with the Pelham and Jerome Lines. Due to a dispute between the IRT and the PSC over allotment of Bkln subway lines, the IRT withdrew from the dual contracts and since some of the Bx expansion lines as well as the Lex Av Line N/O Gr/Cent, plans were made to connect the BRT lines to the new structures under construction in the Bx and connecting the BRT Bway Subway to the Lex Av Line. When the IRT realized that it had more to lose by not getting the Bx els than by getting the 4 Av Subway in Bkln which it originally wanted, the company reentered negotiations and accepted its allotted Bkln lines in order to get the Bx els connected to its original lines. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 25 17:40:08 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 25 17:32:59 2015. True, but how it all worked out was what I was working with. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 11:13:56 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 25 01:17:18 2015. There is a clip on Youtube from 5-30-13, when the Rockaway line reopened. They ran the old timers as a revenue A train and someone with an HD camcorder filmed the dash through the RFW of north motor 1802. Best clip EVER of the CPW dash! Those old timers covered it in 6:07. In the olden days, it might have been five minutes, 5 1/2 tops. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 11:15:36 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 25 17:32:28 2015. IMHO it's ridiculous to put a timer at 81st. 72nd I can understand. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 11:17:09 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 24 22:04:00 2015. Prior to 2012, I'd ridden on only three prewar trains along the dash and they were all Ds. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 11:19:30 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 25 16:53:50 2015. Yes, Brooklyn is still BMT territory. And the front of Stillwell Ave. terminal proudly proclaims that fact. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 11:22:07 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 25 16:56:36 2015. The subway was still new to me in 1967, but I was learning fast. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 26 12:18:10 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 11:13:56 2015. There is a clip on Youtube from 5-30-13, when the Rockaway line reopened.I was on that run along with Bill Newkirk and Tunnelrat. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 26 13:08:44 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 11:13:56 2015. 6 was the right schedule for running time between the two northbound, and just under 7 southbound owing to homeball alley descending into 59. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 26 13:10:00 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 11:15:36 2015. Fear of beating up the switch points like we used to back in the day. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 16:10:47 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 26 13:08:44 2015. Even when the R-10s ruled the roost, it wasn't that slow going s/b. Then again, most of my CPW joyrides were on Saturdays. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 16:11:52 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 26 12:18:10 2015. I wish I'd been there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 26 18:54:43 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 16:10:47 2015. Yeah, I worked rush and it was a stream of yellows all the way south of 103 and slow bumping south of 72 into 59. Northbound was a lot saner. :) |
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Posted by Numbersix on Thu Nov 26 20:36:34 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Express Rider on Wed Nov 25 00:30:57 2015. Maybe the footage is in Nigeria with the lost Doctor Who episodes. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 23:17:48 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 26 18:54:43 2015. You might as well be running local. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Nov 26 23:23:42 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Numbersix on Thu Nov 26 20:36:34 2015. :-)you might just be right about that!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 26 23:42:24 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 26 23:17:48 2015. We still beat the local, but not by all that much. These days though, looks like. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 27 07:41:31 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 24 22:26:30 2015. I can clearly remember the R40 Slants on the E/F in 1975- I was 7. I thought the angled front was very impressive, and suited for the express. By then, a few R44s/46s had crept onto the F- they were so much quieter, and seemed less "express" somehow. So the E seemed to me the ultimate express- fast, loud, and running imposing looking trains.Near the end of their lives, I thought the slants looked downright silly on BMT locals, like the L or the W. But I'll make an exception for the one time I took a Slant J from Broad to Essex in late 1999- THAT was cool. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 27 09:43:57 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 27 07:41:31 2015. I remember when the slants were brand new. Back then I refused to even so much as step aboard an Ethel, let alone ride on one, so my slant R-40 rides were infrequent. My first ride on them was on a Fred from 34th to 42nd, and then only because my sister, who is definitely not a subway buff, liked them. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 27 09:47:00 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 26 23:42:24 2015. Yeah, locals zoom merrily along while expresses plod. Something's wrong with this picture. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 27 10:15:15 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 27 07:41:31 2015. In my humble opinion, the L tended to be very fun with a RFW, and especially a slant, despite its local nature. Not only the outside sections but the curves in the Montrose / Morgan area and the speed in the 14th St tube. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 27 22:38:10 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 27 07:41:31 2015. It was rare indeed to find a R40 Slant on the J,even when they were assigned to the east for years.You would see them basically on the L and M lines,but hardly ever on the J. You Would see the.R40m cars on the J often in mixed sets with R42 cars. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sat Nov 28 10:29:00 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 26 23:42:24 2015. Several years ago I rode downtown from Bedford Park Bldv. to 59th St. around 6:00 PM., on two separate occasions. First time I got on a D...bad mistake. Between 145th and 59th got passed by two Cs and a B. I did not make that mistake twice. Next time I got on a B, and passed two As and a D between 125th and 59th. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 28 13:04:09 2015, in response to Re: 48 Years Ago Today, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sat Nov 28 10:29:00 2015. Wish I could say I was surprised. :( |
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