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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Oct 8 16:58:01 2015 Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First RunsThe first train of Jersey Arrow II electric multiple unit cars enter service today on the North Jersey Coast Line of the Penn Central Transportation Company. The cars were purchased by the New Jersey Department of Transportation. The 70 cars are rostered as Class MA-1 G and carry road numbers 534 thru 603. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Oct 8 21:42:52 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Oct 8 16:58:01 2015. Larry, you New Yorkers who go back even longer than you do remember October 8 of a different year for one of the saddest moments in their lives. It was on this date in 1957 that the Brooklyn Dodgers announced they were moving to Los Angeles. I beat them out here by almost four years and was elated at the news only to see them go Hollywood, forget their roots and become a pack of shits.Damn, please, Mets---take care of these a-holes. |
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Posted by milantram on Thu Oct 8 22:46:53 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Oct 8 21:42:52 2015. As a rabid San Francisco Giants fan, IAWTP. Go Mets! |
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What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 9 05:41:13 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Oct 8 21:42:52 2015. Following Duke Snider's death a few years ago, I wrote a piece on how different all of sports might have been if the Dodgers had never left Brooklyn for LA: |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 05:42:50 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Oct 8 21:42:52 2015. Sadly, Campy never played in LA. He was paralyzed in January of 1958. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Oct 9 07:26:17 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Oct 8 21:42:52 2015. It was on this date in 1957 that the Brooklyn Dodgers announced they were moving to Los Angeles.Fred: I recall a story about the Dodgers leaving Brooklyn. You're in a room with three men; Joe Stalin, Adolf Hitler and Walter O'Malley (the owner of the Dodgers). You have a gun with only two bullets. Who do you shoot? The answer is O'Malley,...twice. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 9 07:49:21 2015, in response to What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 9 05:41:13 2015. If the Dodgers had not left Brooklyn, The trolley cars would have remained in service.ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 09:08:06 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 9 07:49:21 2015. The last trolley in Brooklyn shut down in 1956 and the Dodgers left after the 1957 season. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 09:11:32 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 9 07:49:21 2015. After all, weren't they originally called "The Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers"?? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 09:15:36 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Oct 9 07:26:17 2015. Dodger fans really should have shot Robert Moses.But thats for another thread. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 9 09:17:20 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 09:08:06 2015. Owned. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 10:29:32 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 9 09:17:20 2015. Thanks |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 10:34:46 2015, in response to What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 9 05:41:13 2015. While your conjectures are interesting, they are completely unrealistic. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Oct 9 10:59:58 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 10:29:32 2015. Actually, Lion's statement is correct, though useless. All statements follow logically from a false premise."If the moon were made of green cheese, then my grandmother would have wheels" is a logically true statement. So is "If the Dodgers had never left Brooklyn, then the trolleys would still be running there." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 11:10:23 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 10:34:46 2015. Here is what I think would have happened if O’Malley wasn’t such a selfish prick and was willing to buy his own property or play in a city-owned ballpark:Dodgers stay in Brooklyn, Giants move to Minneapolis, becoming the Minnesota Giants, Washington Senators move to LA, are renamed the LA Angels. New York is not lost to the NL, so the Continental League is never proposed and consequently MLB expansion is delayed and does not take place in 1961/62. It happens anyway because there was nevertheless pressure for it, so here is what I think the first expansion teams would have been: First Round: AL: Washington Senators San Francisco Team NL: Houston Astros Los Angeles Second Team Second Round (equivalent to 1969 expansion): NL: Montreal Expos San Diego Padres AL: Seattle Pilots/Milwaukee Brewers Kansas City Royals I don’t agree with your theory that MLB would have allowed the A’s to change leagues in 1969. The more likely scenario is they would have told Finley to pound sand and prevented him from moving, which they did earlier in the decade when he tried to move to Atlanta, Louisville or DFW. That’s why I think that DFW would have been the A’s destination, since the Washington Senators v2.0 moved there in 1972. This leaves the fate of the Washington Senators 2.0 up in the air. I think there are too many possibilities to come up with a definitive answer. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 11:11:51 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 9 10:59:58 2015. It is not correct. The Dodgers were still in Brooklyn after the trolleys had stopped running. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 11:16:29 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 09:15:36 2015. FALSE! |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Oct 9 11:20:20 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 11:11:51 2015. I understand. But nevertheless, logically all things follow from a false premise. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 11:54:15 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 11:16:29 2015. TRUE!! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 9 11:59:42 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 9 09:17:20 2015. You do not Onw the LION. LIONS, like cats are not owned, they are SERVED by (lesser) primates. Thank You for the Correction. LIONS like being right even when they are being funny.OK, "The Dodgers left town because there were no more trolleys to Dodge" There, Is *that* Better. ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 11:59:51 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 9 11:20:20 2015. I still don’t agree. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 9 12:00:34 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 09:11:32 2015. BINGO |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 12:03:02 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 09:11:32 2015. They were originally called the Brooklyn Atlantics. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:09:12 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by milantram on Thu Oct 8 22:46:53 2015. Well that's two of us at least....GO METS |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:12:14 2015, in response to What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 9 05:41:13 2015. Wallyhorse, I read that on a Red Sox Board. One of my pals of my now beloved team sent me the story. There were a couple of things that I thought were bizarre but most of it was well done and very feasible to have happened if O'Malley hadn't lied his fat ass out of Brooklyn and decided to go Hollywood, order the press not to use the term BUMS and decided to play in that monstrous Coliseum that was only good for baking clay when it got hot in that saucer. Fuck them!!!!!!! |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:16:09 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 12:03:02 2015. You know after reading these retorts by you guys, I can see that no one on this board gives two shits about the Dodgers and to me that means the link to New York has rusted permanently. Good for you. I can tell you, though, when they left town after the '57 season my relatives were close to being on suicide watch and there was great bitterness for years. Someone once told me that bitterness ended when the Mets won the World Series in 1969. But if any of you want the Dodgers back, as far as I'm concerned you can have them. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 9 13:16:32 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 09:11:32 2015. After they moved, there were still trolleys running in LA for a few years and there sort of are again in the form of the LAMTA light rail. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 9 13:21:20 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:16:09 2015. Well, I remember my uncle Rudy was beside himself when the Dodgers left.The Little LION cub paid not much attention to beastball back then. ROAR |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:22:47 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 11:10:23 2015. Late in the season of 1956, Giants owner Horace Stoneham, who owned the Minneapolis franchise and was the Triple AAA farm team of the Giants, had recently completed a brand new open air ballpark which HS eyed greedily knowing his team has No. 3 in New York and sinking fast. He was planning to stay one more year in New York and then leaving town, but on February 21, 1957, O'Malley purchased the Los Angeles minor league franchise from Cubs owner Phil Wrigley and the fat was in the fire. Unable to get the land he needed to stay in Brooklyn and build his new ballpark, it was clear that he was heading West. Stoneham changed his mind within a week and was talked into going to SF to keep the rivalry going. It turned out to be great move for the Giants, even though there were times when it looked the team might not make it out there. They are solidly in SF now and well into the future. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:26:28 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Oct 9 07:26:17 2015. Pete Hamill, a New York writer, was sitting in a restaurant with, I believe, two other colleagues when they decided to play a game and list separately the three most despicable men in history. They each had the same three.....Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Walter O'Malley. But I like your story better. That's probably how most Broklynites would have done, save for Jewish residents who had other reasons to get someone else. Then again, maybe one for O'Malley, one for Hitler, and then beat and stomp Stalin to death. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Oct 9 13:32:45 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 09:15:36 2015. IAWTP!Regardless of where the Dodgers were going, Moses does not escape blame here. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Oct 9 14:12:19 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:26:28 2015. The only legitimate pro sports team in the US is the Green Bay Packers--a socialist enterprise of the city. No extortion for ever fancier stadia, no midnight escapes. We'll have the full SAS before the sports crooks are reined in. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 15:52:07 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 9 13:21:20 2015. When the Dodgers left Brooklyn, it ripped the heart & soul out of the borough! AFAIK it was the only franchise that moved while it was still making $$$, up until that time anyway. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 16:56:33 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Oct 9 13:32:45 2015. As told to me by my Father, a fierce Brooklyn fan: Ebbets Field was woefully obsolete by the 1950s & in dire need of replacement & more parking spaces. O'Malley approached the City looking for a site for a new Ebbets Field. O'Malley wanted his new ballpark over the Atlantic Ave subway/LIRR complex (Where Barcklays center is now). Robert Moses said no good. It would eminent domain too many families was the reason given for the turn down.(But ok to uproot thousands for the Cross Bx Expy BTW)O'Malley counters with a site in Red Hook, let me build my ballpark there. Again O'Malley is turned down. Moses & then NYC mayor Wagner says there were plans in the works for a huge shopping plaza there. This never materializes,plans change & eventually winds up as Kings Plaza at the tail end of Flatbush Ave. This time Moses says you can build a new Ebbets Field on the swampy ashpits in Flushing meadow. Now the City of Los Angeles approaches O'Malley & literally gives him a blank check. You build a ballpark here & we'll give you the land & parking concessions (a big thing back then. to get around L.A. you needed a car).In the mean time, you can use the Colisieum, rent free. There is no counter offer from Moses/Wagner, so the dye was cast. O'Malley tells them & the Brooklyn faithful to go fuck themselves & out west he went. One of his last comments about the move was, " Hell, if they want me to move to Flushing, I might as well go to Los Angeles" My takeaway from this is that O'Malley originally wanted to stay in Brooklyn, but Moses & Wagner had no fire in the belly to keep them there. But Los Angeles made him an offer he couldn't refuse. As a businessman, it was a smart move. As a feeling human being, he was as cold blooded as they come. Point being O'Malley wasn't the only bad guy here. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Oct 9 17:18:07 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 16:56:33 2015. All excellent points, sir! |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Oct 9 17:45:52 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 16:56:33 2015. And even if O'Malley had stayed. Stoneham would have taken the Giants out anyways - only it would have been Minneapolis. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 18:15:42 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Oct 9 17:18:07 2015. Thank You! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 20:47:17 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Oct 9 14:12:19 2015. And Vince Lombardi left the Giants to make a name for himself in Green Bay. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 20:48:28 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 09:08:06 2015. And we're coming up on the 59th anniversary of the end of streetcar service in Brooklyn - October 31. I was born 19 days later. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 20:50:15 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 15:52:07 2015. Leo Durocher put it best: "Something went out of baseball when the Dodgers left Brooklyn, and neither all the king's horses nor all the king's men can ever put it back again." |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 20:51:26 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:16:09 2015. Of course, Gil Hodges managed the '69 Miracle Mets. I still don't understand why he's not in the Hall of Fame. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 20:52:22 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 9 13:16:32 2015. Los Angeles had streetcars up until March 31, 1963. Had I grown up there, I probably would have remembered them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 20:53:46 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:16:09 2015. The Dodgers can fuck off. The Mets are a worthy successor. Too bad they couldn't do the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens thing and leave the history in New York. |
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Posted by Merrick1 on Fri Oct 9 20:56:48 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 9 16:56:33 2015. Why was Ebbets Field woefully obsolete? Fenway Park is a year older and Wrigley Field is a year younger and both are still going strong. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 9 21:11:48 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - October 8, 1974 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Merrick1 on Fri Oct 9 20:56:48 2015. They were also considered woefully obsolete back then. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 21:20:48 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 13:12:14 2015. The Dodgers didn't see the Coliseum until right after the parade through downtown LA. They played the Giants (who else?) and Willie Mays went over to Duke Snider, who no doubt groaned when he saw the distant right field fence, and said, "Look what I get to aim at!" as he pointed to the short porch in left field, screen and all. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 22:43:10 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 21:20:48 2015. He also told Snider they took his bat from him.....he was shooting at a 440 fence. He hit only 15 homers that season. They moved the fences in a little the next year and he hit 23, but he was never the same after he left Brooklyn.One little known piece of info that has been lost for decades is the vote that the players informally took early in the 1957 season, their last in that borough. They voted either Brooklyn or Los Angeles and the vote was 24-1 Brooklyn. The lone dissenting vote? Duke Snider. Even Californian Don Drysdale voted for Brooklyn. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 22:45:37 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 20:51:26 2015. Neither do I or any baseball fan who knows anything about the game. His absence from the Hall of Fame is a travesty that should someday be corrected. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 23:17:36 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 22:43:10 2015. Drysdale had adopted Brooklyn as a second home by then. He went back for a visit in 1987 and people were still lamenting that the borough hadn't been the same since. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 9 23:18:34 2015, in response to Re: What If The Dodgers had not moved from Brooklyn?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Oct 9 22:45:37 2015. The Mets retired Gil's number 14 in 1973, one year after he died suddenly. |
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