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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 16:14:49 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Sep 1 22:48:23 2015. Hah, so true! |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 16:32:42 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 13:56:08 2015. That area would be good for direct rail service for transload or warehousing, but it's not long enough for intermodal. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 16:32:48 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Wed Sep 2 01:30:00 2015. NYC roads are always going to be congested, no matter what anyone does about them. There is nowhere to put more roads, and existing road lanes are needed for bus and bike usage. So basically, people who live in Manhattan, and to a certain extent, the whole city, just have to deal with the fact that it's hard to go somewhere outside the city that requires a car, and that people who don't live in Manhattan shouldn't be driving anywhere in Manhattan, and if they do they'll get stuck in traffic. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 2 16:33:16 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 13:49:36 2015. FWIW, I suspect that most truckers are currently using the I-95 -> I-295 -> I-495 routing to access Long Island, but that's also due to restrictions places upon potential routings by NYCDOT. An intermodal terminal at the locations you listed suffers from the fact that while traffic is shifted away from the current routing, it adds the traffic to another location that isn't ideal for adding more truck traffic. There just really isn't a good site for an intermodal yard that isn't in Eastern Suffolk*, and it remains to be seen if it's worth it to spend that kind of money* for something that's limited to Long Island and will see marginal use.*Cerro Wire in Syosset was the best hope, and the locals killed a mall there, so it's unlikely that they'd tolerate an intermodal yard. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 2 16:34:35 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 16:14:26 2015. If anything, streets like 42nd street should be turned into pedestrian-only streetsDoesn't work. Bloomberg's gaffe with the "plaza" at Times Square says that enough for us. The slower traffic goes, the more the costs to business. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 16:59:27 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 13:49:36 2015. The intermodal facility should go between Maspeth Ave and 278, where the proposals show it. Those facilities can handle a LOT of containers with only a couple of tracks, so not that much land would need to be taken for it. It's relatively close to a bunch of DCs, UPS, and some other warehouses and distributors.There is a transload facility operating out on LI. The Cross-Harbor tunnel serves several purposes. 1. Some intermodal freight that is going to NYC and LI from a train or ship would be brought across on stacks. This is quite a bit of stuff, but it wouldn't help local deliveries from DCs in NJ, however. 2. Intermodal freight headed up I-95 for points in Southern New England would be put on COFC or single-stack trains and run to Cedar Hill, Springfield, Davisville, or Worcester, or maybe other locations in Southern New England. I think TOFC would clear the wires if special lower cars, or well cars with trailers were used, but I'm not positive on this one. This is a big market. I drive with these trucks every day. The parade of containers is unbelievable. 3. Carload and transload freight in NYC and LI is pretty much maxed out with the current yard setups. Fresh Pond Yard is completely clogged, Oak Point seems to be pretty busy. More transload sites wouldn't really help that much without more yard capacity. There's not really anywhere to put a decent yard. The Cross-Harbor tunnel, if combined with restructuring the territories of CSAO, NYA, CSX, and P&W would help alleviate this by using CSAO yard space in New Jersey to serve NYC and LI customers. NYA would benefit the least, since CSX/CSAO could probably already easily share yard space, but maybe NYA gets overhead rights into a yard in NJ, and a couple of tracks as part of the deal, or a better system of handing off trains could be figured out. More transload sites could be built, and thus more trucks can be taken off the road for bulk transport and stuff like lumber. 4. Carload and transload freight in Southern New England would be hugely benefitted with better and faster connections to the rest of the US. Cedar Hill could be expanded (about half of the land is still there, with only a small fraction actually in use) to handle more carload freight with flat switching, and serve CSX, P&W, and CSOR. 5. Unit Garbage trains. The garbage trains could go through the tunnel, instead of having to go over the Selkirk Hurdle to get to places that will accept NYC's copious amounts of garbage. The tunnel would open up so much more capacity that better marketing of rail freight throughout southern New England, NYC, and LI would be able to generate more rail traffic. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 18:44:48 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 2 16:34:35 2015. That wasn't a gaffe. That's a great success, and it should be expanded. Pedestrian-only streets are a good idea. As are expanded bike and bus lanes. I'd also put cross-town light rail on 42nd street. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 18:46:55 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 2 16:33:16 2015. It's not just about RI, it's about East of Hudson freight rail in general. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:44:43 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 16:59:27 2015. I agree, that's the 3rd option I listed, Maspeth Av/56th Rd. I'm assuming trains would be sorted at Greenville with LI trains possibly stopping off at Fresh Pond to pick up additional cars that came in from over the Hell Gate? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:48:31 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 2 16:33:16 2015. Even if it adds more than the current amount of trucks to the BQE, it's still an overall benefit to the region. And I'd be curious to know just how many shipments are going via the GWB and how many via the VZ. Isn't there a facility in Arlington SI now? The BQE has plenty of intermodal containers |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:49:31 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:48:31 2015. Oops, meant adding more trucks to the LIE between the BQE and Clearview, not to the BQE itself |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:53:12 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 2 15:16:09 2015. Yeah....woopdie freaking doo. It doesn't even go into Minillas or to Old San Juan. Either way, I was referring to having something traveling outside the metro area to at least Arecibo or Aguadilla. There's nothing as if now, so no reason for the FRA to object if the concern is collision with freight |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:57:24 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 16:14:26 2015. We're talking apples and oranges here. 42nd St is midtown and I agree it needs to be less auto centric. I'm talking about regional mobility. We need more public transportation for the region as a whole, but the addition of a highway from the VZ, over the Bay Ridge and Linden Blvd to the Conduit/Nassau Expressway/Sunrise Highway would relieve the BQE/LIE big time by providing another commercially permissible route, and a more direct one for anything/anyone headed to the south shore |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:59:32 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 16:32:48 2015. There is space for new roads as I've already pointed out. A grade separation of certain Blvds could also provide a much faster route for commuter/intercity buses as well |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 2 20:29:08 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 16:59:27 2015. Snicker, you think Metro-North wants anything more than minimal levels of freight on the New Haven Line... |
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Posted by coneyisl on Wed Sep 2 20:42:48 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Aug 30 21:02:58 2015. Northwest Rail is Denver's SAS. It won't happen for decades. The one station spur being completed to old Westminster will be EMU. DMU's are not happening. The Northwest area was thrown a bone with BRT up Hwy 36 which is the major highway that connects Denver to Boulder. The road is beautiful, but whether or not they move more people via bus than before is yet to be seen. (I was kind of surprised that they went with Hyundai on the heavy rail lines after the fiasco back east.) |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 22:26:26 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by coneyisl on Wed Sep 2 20:42:48 2015. They have the plans for the DMU commuter rail line, but they seem to be way over budget (although not as badly as anything NYC does). |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 22:36:02 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:44:43 2015. The Cross-Harbor would basically bypass Greenville. I'm imagining it being done at the huge CSAO yard in Newark. CSAO would haul the freight with electrics from their yard to an electrified track around Fresh Pond Yard (it likely wouldn't fit IN Fresh Pond Yard, which is ridiculously small), where NYA would grab it with diesels and head out onto LI.I doubt anything would come down the Hell Gate for LI, other than unit stone trains, but if a carload did, it could be tacked on at Fresh Pond. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 22:38:00 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:57:24 2015. No. That's a terrible idea to add a highway OVER the Bay Ridge Branch. It just makes everything more expensive and complicated for the railroad, and adds more traffic and air pollution. The TriboroRX also needs a good quality, active rail line there with the ability to have stations and such. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 22:38:49 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 19:59:32 2015. The subway system should be improved so that it covers all of NYC, to reduce the need for busses, and eliminate the need to travel any significant distance on a bus. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 22:40:21 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 2 20:29:08 2015. They approved 286k cars by pencil-whipping it. That's progress. I doubt they'd want more, but would end up with more. They can certainly handle the traffic. On the flip side, they'd get the money from the trackage rights. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 2 23:17:58 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 22:40:21 2015. On the flip side, they'd get the money from the trackage rights.And they'd have to deal with the scheduling nightmare of some 60 mph freight that moves slower than the local. As for the trackage rights, that presumes that would cover the extra maintenance for these extra, heavier trains. The CSX train tipping over two years ago on the Hudson Line is why everybody was perfectly content with chasing away the freight years ago. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 23:44:44 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 2 23:17:58 2015. What about overnights? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 23:48:14 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 22:38:49 2015. You gotta look at more than just the 5 boros my friend. Expanding the subway and improving city zone LIRR service certainly should be priorities, but a highway where I'm suggesting would open a route for south shore traffic and open the LIE/BQE up for vehicles that have no choice but to use that route when traveling throughout the region, not just the city |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 23:51:15 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 2 22:38:00 2015. How does a highway over the ROW block any of that from happening? Or make it more complicated or expensive for the RR? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 00:13:12 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 23:44:44 2015. Still pounds the crap out of the rails whenever they run. In CSX country, hexagonal wheels are OK, they'll bad order them when they're down to four corners maybe. :) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 3 00:35:24 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 00:13:12 2015. Heh, that's for sure. I was talking more about the dance floor problem between commuter and freight |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 00:40:23 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 3 00:35:24 2015. Yeah, I hear ya ... but CSX wheels ... well ... THIS axle was bad enough to remove from service. :) Otherwise, it rolls ... as best as it can. Heh. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 3 00:43:47 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 00:40:23 2015. Heh, how about a freight that welded itself to the rail in front of my Sunset Limited about a year ago down in Texas |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 00:47:57 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 3 00:43:47 2015. Ah ... sounds like they brought out of one their GE "rail polisher" units. Another reason why you probably don't want them on YOUR rails. :) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 3 01:10:36 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 23:51:15 2015. all that wasted concrete for pillars, and of course thefilthy pollution from the traffic makking the stations almost as nasty as the CTA freeway median versions. Besides we don'tneed more highways. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 3 01:39:07 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 3 01:10:36 2015. we surely DO need more highways. all the limited-access highways in the city are inadequate, outdated and dangerous. All of them. ever take the cross island? the bqe? all the bridges and tunnels? the cross bronx? the grand central? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 3 01:41:03 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 3 01:39:07 2015. ...or, there needs to be serious reconstruction of what's already here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 3 04:13:13 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 3 01:39:07 2015. We still need more rails as well. The Port Authority has yet to fulfill one of its mandates, namely a railroad connecting NJ with Long Island directly and primarily for freight. (Of course, if Manhattan had actually not done that steam ban, such railroads would exist already, overground.) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 3 13:01:51 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 3 01:39:07 2015. facilitating more auto traffic is a bad plan. The expansion of I 270 in Montgomery County which caused years of delays as the work was done was supposed to eliminate or at least ameliorate a segment that regularly turned into a parking lot. When finished the area was still a parking lot every rush hour so the drivers delayed by the construction "lost" extra hours of their lives for zero improvement.Build more transit. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 3 13:20:52 2015, in response to Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by geoffc on Fri Aug 28 07:23:35 2015. To fool railfans into not realizing they are riding on an elaborate bus. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 3 13:50:35 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 3 13:01:51 2015. We need both. Build the transit and new rail freight infrastructure first, but it's very probable that in a place like the 5 boros, we're going to still add some new highways or at the least grade separate some of the streets that have a center portion flanked by service roads (Linden Blvd) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 3 13:51:34 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 00:47:57 2015. Nah, apparently the brakes locked up on the trailing loco and the crew didn't notice the fireworks |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 3 14:18:50 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 3 13:50:35 2015. If you're going to work on grade separations, might as well have that be rapid transit on the new level. As others have asked, why encourage people to drive when a person takes up less space on rapid transit than in a car? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 3 14:21:01 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 3 14:18:50 2015. I might just add that I do have sympathy for some vehicles, but mainly commercial vehicles (truck drivers making deliveries and that sort of thing). If you wanted to make highways that were commercial-only, like a way for truck drivers to go east-west on route 27 faster than for a car, that would be something that could get my sympathy. But anything for the ordinary commuter in or close to a CBD that would encourage driving to the CBD sounds like a waste of money in the long term. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 15:58:28 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 2 23:48:14 2015. The new TZB will connect everywhere that's not NYC or LI, and it should help take a little pressure off the GWB route, but it doesn't help LI. I don't think there's much that can be done for crossings to LI, except to improve freight rail and transit and hope that mitigates the traffic a little bit. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 16:00:22 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 3 01:10:36 2015. IAWTP. Plus, it would make everything more expensive for the railroad, and be an eyesore. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 3 16:11:57 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 15:58:28 2015. and the new TZB is a disaster as no effort was made to add rail for either goods or human. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 16:12:37 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 3 14:21:01 2015. NYC is the one city in the US that really has the possibility of serving every person within the city limits with rapid transit. It's well on it's way to that, an expansion of subways and a couple little pieces of light rail would get it there.Trucks deliver stuff. Stuff can be delivered at night when people aren't driving around. I agree with not adding any ability for cars to drive to the CBD. Besides, there's nowhere to put them anyway. If anything, there should be increased tolling in generally, and specifically a congestion charge to get into Manhattan of at least $10. People who can afford to own a nice Mercedes in Manhattan and a place to park the thing can easily afford it, and everyone else should stay the hell out of Manhattan. I wish that taxis could be banned from Manhattan and the airports, but that would never go over, at least not until the whole medallion system totally collapses, but then you can't really control Uber and those such services. Taxis are an obnoxious blight on the city. Virtually all of the city is well served by the subway and busses anyway, so they are mostly for lazy people, and 100% for lazy people within Manhattan and the airports, all of which have transit or busses. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 16:13:51 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 3 13:50:35 2015. No. We need higher tolls and congestion fees on the roads, and way more transit and freight rail. Improvements to ramps or slight adjustments to curvature and grading and stuff like that is fine, but capacity additions to highways within the city, definitely not. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 16:14:06 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 3 04:13:13 2015. Quite true. They need to get on that! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 3 16:20:48 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 16:12:37 2015. "Stuff can be delivered at night when people aren't driving around."umm, are you paying the personnel to work the evening shift at the receiving docks? Why should a retailer remain open in the evening if there are no customers? If anyone deserves road space it IS local deliveries of stock or purchases. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 16:23:30 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 00:13:12 2015. Some freight railroads run dozens of 100+ car freights a day without a problem. I'm sure MN can figure it out. Should probably replace those bridges and upgrade track as part of the Cross-Harbor tunnel. Would help Amtrak out too. Also, intermodal doesn't weight that much, since the boxes have to be under 40 tons with their chassis and tractor when they are drayed. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 16:53:38 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 2 23:17:58 2015. If you actually bother to look at the average speeds of MN trains, you'd find that the freights would have to SLOW DOWN to be on the local tracks, so they would probably run with Amtrak on the express tracks. Even if the track and bridges were upgraded to the maximum speeds that would be possible given the physical constraints of the ROW, a 100 car intermodal with a pair or trio of 10,000HP 6-axle electric motors set up in a DPU configuration wouldn't have an issue keeping up except for the short 90mph section in NY, where the freight would likely max out at 79. Mixed freights would probably do best at late night, although shorter ones could run during midday.If anything, New Rochelle would be the single bottleneck of the whole system. It's a bad junction with no solution except to try and schedule trains on and off the Hell Gate together between gaps in the New Haven. Imagine a 125 car electric TOFC roaring up the Bay Ridge line between two TriboroRX trains running at <15 minute intervals, over the Hell Gate, passing MN/NJT pooled dual locomotive push/pull sets going to Penn, Amtrak HSR sets, and Regionals, and then joining the all-4-track New Haven Line to continue to the re-electrified Cedar Hill! Oh, the foam! There's not enough slots for freights during either rush hour, so they would have to run mid-day or overnight. The garbage has to go somewhere. With the Cross-Harbor tunnel, that section of MN would see less freight traffic. The New Haven Line would see more. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 3 16:54:41 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 3 16:11:57 2015. True, that part of it is a total disaster. That route makes no sense as a freight route, but it should have commuter rail on it. |
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