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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 25 09:24:38 2015 Trolleys |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Apr 25 10:35:44 2015, in response to Dream on? Philly..., posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 25 09:24:38 2015. If they count the subway-surface lines as "street cars" what does that say of the Boston Green Line, Newark or SF Muni Metro?the image on that post shows only surface level systems apart from SEPTA. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Apr 25 12:00:06 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by The Silence on Sat Apr 25 10:35:44 2015. Pittsburgh, New Jersey and all over California too. The distinction between light rail and streetcar is not an easy one to make, but if you are including the Philly Subway surface, There is a lot more than what they listed to mention there. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 25 15:12:30 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by R30A on Sat Apr 25 12:00:06 2015. The map in the article appears to show only the Ashmont/Mattapan Line in Boston, which while operated with trolleys, is technically part of the Red Line. It completely ignores the entire Green Line trolley system. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 25 15:29:20 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by The Silence on Sat Apr 25 10:35:44 2015. Light Rail is bureaucratese for streetcars w/ new bells and whistles so you can sell them to people who think trolleys/streetcars are obsolete. The SF Muni Breda cars weigh more than many CTA L cars did. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Apr 25 15:36:38 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by R30A on Sat Apr 25 12:00:06 2015. The distinction between light rail and streetcar is not an easy one to makeAfter riding Stadtbahns in Germany, the pre-metro in Brussels, and the networks in Portland, San Jose, Seattle, San Francisco, and Boston, I'd argue that things are murkier for the older networks as there isn't that much that separates the B/C/D branches of the Green Line and Muni Metro from the Subway Surface in Philadelphia, but Portland Streetcar is basically a stripped down version of light rail with curvature, station design, and signalling differences. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 25 15:55:50 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 25 15:29:20 2015. Here in Newark, the Light Rail, AKA Newark City Subway, has street running, separate right of way segments, subway segments, AND open-cut running.The rolling stock, as in most US cities with systems like this, are articulated trolley cars. Streetcars? Trolleys? Light rail? That's a tough one... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 25 16:56:03 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 25 15:55:50 2015. Right.. little difference in what you call it..its still the same thing. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 23:31:30 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 25 15:29:20 2015. The SF Muni Breda cars weigh more than many CTA L cars did.They're also half-again as long as the CTA's diminutive stock. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 26 00:28:19 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 23:31:30 2015. no, I refer to each half of the Breda outweighing a full CTA car. The Bredas are notorious locally for shaking buildings as they pass by. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Apr 26 00:41:54 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 26 00:28:19 2015. The Breda LRVs are 77,000lbs, and the CTA 3200s are 55,000lbs. That makes them almost equal in terms of weight per foot of length. I don't see what the issue is. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 26 02:34:06 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by WillD on Sun Apr 26 00:41:54 2015. So which is Light Rail? And what is "heavy rail"? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Apr 26 13:32:10 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 26 02:34:06 2015. heavy rail goes faster than light rail? also, heavy rail train lines are longer than light rail train lines. more cars per train too. of course, someone is gonna write about a 50 mile tram line in germany or china or someplace with ten-car trains that travel 80 miles an hour. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Apr 26 17:11:14 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by R30A on Sat Apr 25 12:00:06 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 26 18:31:24 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by ntrainride on Sun Apr 26 13:32:10 2015. I was on St Louis’ “light rail” system last summer and it travels pretty far into the suburbs in western Illinois and can hold its own speed wise with many heavy rail systems. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Apr 27 01:35:49 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 26 02:34:06 2015. One costs a hell of a lot less to build than the other. It's light on the wallet. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 27 02:08:25 2015, in response to Re: Dream on? Philly..., posted by ntrainride on Sun Apr 26 13:32:10 2015. don't have to go that far to find anomalies. I generally agree about train length, but 3 car 'light rail'--six bodies on 9 trucks asOTOH, Path trains from 33rd to Hoboken, or even JSQ are fairly short end to end compared to Sacramento's Fulton branch or Portland's Hillsboro to Airport line. So as to speed, as other threads recently have pointed out NYCT subway trains are very slow compared to 6o years ago, whereas some light rail systems are fast on suburbanstretches of fenced off ROW. The categories don't work well. But as Associate Justice Louis Powell once said with regard to pornography, I can't define it but I recognize when I see it;Which is of course aphilosophical paradox. |
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