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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Apr 15 11:42:39 2015, in response to LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:35:50 2015. Anything would bother the residents over there. The good of the many is trumped by the whining of the few. Of course, that pattern repeats itself all over the city. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Apr 15 19:37:03 2015, in response to LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:35:50 2015. I like the idea, but I don't live in Astoria. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 15 23:21:10 2015, in response to LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:35:50 2015. Please allow for a lead/spur to branch off and go down 19 Avenue to eventually reach LGA.And please use traditional boxgirder El construction for this extension. wayne |
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Posted by The silence on Wed Apr 15 23:26:02 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Apr 15 19:37:03 2015. Rather you than the people who do...Bunch of crybabies... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Apr 16 07:52:10 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 15 23:21:10 2015. No Spur to LGA. That would draw complaints from the NIMBYs. Every time you add to a project, you collect more enemies. Trains are to run on this extension only for lay-ups and put-ins, and not during the mid-day or at nights.Soundproofed concrete structure to be as very quiet as possible, you should not be able to hear the train passing above, which would be moving at yard speeds in any event. It will be a SINGLE TRACK structure blocking as little sunlight as possible, and it will rise from the existing elevation to a taller elevation. Pre-form the concrete riser, digging the footings will look like ordinary utility work. Then on one weekend come in and plant the risers. Project ought to be half done before the NIMBYs figure out what is going on. ROAR |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 16 08:41:32 2015, in response to LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:35:50 2015. Lion forget that proposed LGA sonnector would use a subway-to-elevated ramp, on property between 31st St and 19th Ave! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 16 10:54:51 2015, in response to LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:35:50 2015. I like the idea. NIMBY issues can be overcome. They have in the past. However, enviornmentalists are another matter.Digging up ex Con Edison land to construct the neccessary lay up yard might provoke kicking & screaming by said group a/c the fears of releasing toxic materials that are assumed to be there thanks to the utilities long term presence in the area. Forcing Con Ed to do a cleanup would entail a long term court fight. That in itself might be the deal breaker. Also, the fact that there is no great love for Con Edison in these parts in the first place doesn't help matters much. Even if the city "emanite domains" the property, that means the taxpayer would have to pay for the clean-up.That would be strike two. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Apr 16 13:10:47 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 16 10:54:51 2015. It will be an elevated yard. Does it need a clean up? Well then this would indeed be a good time to do it. If MTA and Con Ed can agree, maybe the MTA can take over the land for the cost of rehabilitating it. It cannot be that hard to clean it up.ROAR |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 16 17:01:00 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Apr 16 13:10:47 2015. Then you have to worry about "enviornmental impact studies" which could add years for this idea to become reality. Just think if there were the same degree of enviornmental impact concerns say 150+ years ago, the Hudson Line might never have been built.BTW don't think for a second that you could start to build an elevated track down the middle of 31st street without the locals there being on to the caper as soon as the first spade is turned north of Ditmars. Their radar is up & will not go down until a rail link to LGA is built...somewhere else. |
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Posted by Beebo on Thu Apr 16 17:45:01 2015, in response to LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:35:50 2015. Nice. Beebo would have the train turn right @ Grand Central, run alongside the expressway until Astoria Blvd splits off, have it run along 23rd Avenue, then *plunk* itself onto LaGuardia. Hits all the rental car places & everything. A yard? Do we need a yard? There's always St Michaels Cemetary :-)(Alright, we'll use some of LaGuardia's parking for a yard. Elevated!) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 16 22:08:53 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 15 23:21:10 2015. Go get another girder! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 16 23:28:07 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Apr 16 07:52:10 2015. I know you're joking. You can't build any such project without notice to, and consultation with, the community. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 17 07:49:19 2015, in response to LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:35:50 2015. Great idea! Ain't gonna happen, but a great idea nonetheless. MainR says using the same type of modern construction, build a ramp from 31st Street down to the GCP and connect to LGA- and run FREQUENT service. Designate it the NX :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 17 10:29:14 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 16 23:28:07 2015. Tell that to Robert Moses!I don't have to tell them shit. Where do these people get off thinking that they can block progress. No wonder nothing ever gets done around here. PS. This does not apply to dictators like Obama, he should not be allowed to do all of this crap without congress. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 17 10:36:17 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 17 07:49:19 2015. NOPE, you add LGA and nothing will happen. We need a yard for the Broadway Local, otherwise it would NEVER reach a yard.Just tell the people in Astoria that we need to build this yard or else discontinue service on the Astoria Line at night and on weekends, that way we can use the line itself as our new yard. You see, all of this has to do with the new Second Avenue Subway. EXPRESS trains will run via Bridge and 63rd Street. LOCAL trains will run via Tunnel and 60th Street. Astoria can only access 60th Street ERGO it must be the LOCAL The Broadway Local is also the 4th Avenue Local in Brooklyn, ERGO it must go to Ft. Hamilton. Neither Fort H nor Astoria have a yard. They need to have a yard. Extending Astoria to Con Ed will provide that yard AND will allow the (R) train to be automated since it would no longer cross over or be used by any other route. ROAR |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 17 12:26:38 2015, in response to LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:35:50 2015. an abomination. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 12:44:25 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 17 07:49:19 2015. This elevated (I assume!) route over the Triboro Bridge Approach and GCP to LGA would be a grat idea. Except that elephant in the room- the huge Hell Gate Viaduct that crosses the Parkway, east of Steinway St. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 12:51:33 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 17 12:26:38 2015. I agree! There's plenty of third track layup on the Astoria line, between 40th Ave-25th/Hoyt Ave. I do like the proposed LGA route from 31st/Ditmars with a subway/el ramp, to 19th Ave. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 17 14:29:24 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 12:51:33 2015. LGA is *NOT* going to happen.ROAR |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Apr 17 18:38:03 2015, in response to LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:35:50 2015. I think it's great that you singled out the hideous green stuff on the map. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 23:37:20 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Apr 17 18:38:03 2015. is that a park? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Apr 18 10:13:44 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 23:37:20 2015. Immediately to the east of 31 st St and north of 20th Avenue is a park, the property to the north of that is exclusively Con Ed property, yes it is green, and they must be a reason why Con Ed did not use it. Some think that it's pollution would be a major environmental issue. but LION just wants to put a subway yard over the top of it.Is that too much to ask? ROAR |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 18 15:43:57 2015, in response to Re: LION : Astoria Yard, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Apr 18 10:13:44 2015. Would Lion roar his disapproval if they built the LGA connector with a subway-to-elevated ramp there? |
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