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LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015

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Text of the post by MTA LIRR on Facebook (now removed):
We're excited to show you a behind the scenes look at our new M9 trains! This was taken in Japan at the Kawasaki Manufacturing plant by Billy Alexopoulos, DGM of the our Equipment Department.

What do you think?




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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 8 10:50:02 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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Banana face.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 8 11:01:35 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 8 10:50:02 2015.

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At least the headlights are horizontal rather than vertical.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 11:28:51 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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Body contour much more like an M-8 than an M-7, but still unique.
Back to M-1 number series.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 8 11:28:53 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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ROAR

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by caine515 on Wed Apr 8 11:37:10 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 8 11:01:35 2015.

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Is this the design SIRT is getting too?

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by steamdriven on Wed Apr 8 12:12:42 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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It has pinched-in sides as floor level, which serve the purpose of

i) insuring the customers don't get too comfortable. Gotta remind the proles that we don't really matter that much

ii) creating a clever little trap for out-of-towners and bar patrons who've decided to leave the car at home so as to not drink and drive. It's also great for culling the disabled. Little did they know a pineapple-faced bureaucrap has set a trap for them!



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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by The Silence on Wed Apr 8 12:34:13 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by caine515 on Wed Apr 8 11:37:10 2015.

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they haven't said anything. It's a toss up between this and the R211.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 12:58:04 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by steamdriven on Wed Apr 8 12:12:42 2015.

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They are really not pinched in, just the standard 10' width, bellying out 6" all told at the belt rail, just like an M-1 and M-7.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 13:22:54 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 11:28:51 2015.

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But don't the M8s have numbers in the 9000s?

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 8 13:35:42 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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Looks like the M-9's have front digital signs like the M-8's.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 8 13:46:03 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 13:22:54 2015.

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But don't the M8s have numbers in the 9000s?

Correct, I don't know why they didn't utilize the 8000 series numbers since it follows the 7000 series numbers.

Bill Newkirk


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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Apr 8 13:56:42 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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Oooooooooo - nice!

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 14:12:22 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 8 13:46:03 2015.

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Since MN M-6 numbers conflicted with LIRR M-1s, and they both coexisted for about 15 years, it does not much matter. Their paths never crossed.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 14:13:24 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Apr 8 13:56:42 2015.

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The M-1 / M-6 still is a better looking car and looked American.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 8 14:13:37 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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Oh wow, I didn't expect these to be built so soon! I wonder when this train will be delivered to the states?

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 14:13:47 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 13:22:54 2015.

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what have numberings of one railroad have to do with another railroad ??

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 14:15:43 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 14:12:22 2015.

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even if they conflicted , that is why radio and written instructions have to be preceded by railroad.
as in Metro North train **** calling district A or whatever.


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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 14:16:30 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 8 14:13:37 2015.

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14 test cars have to be delivered before spring of 2016


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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by r30a on Wed Apr 8 14:26:24 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 14:13:24 2015.

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Yes, but still, the M9 is undoubtedly the best looking commuter rail EMU since the delivery of the M6 fleet.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 14:30:52 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by r30a on Wed Apr 8 14:26:24 2015.

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Yes, and thankfully the 63rd Street tunnel clearances eliminated the flounder fish headlight and sewer pipe along the roof.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 14:31:36 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 8 14:13:37 2015.

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I assume the MN ones will have to do without the roof top airchute.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 8 14:47:13 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 8 13:35:42 2015.

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You would hope so.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 14:48:18 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 14:31:36 2015.

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the M-8 design is CDOT, not MN , it was CDOT who instructed Cesar Vergara to design the car different from other MN stock.


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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 14:49:32 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 14:31:36 2015.

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or if you mean the HVAC chute that would depend on if Kawasaki can prevent HVAC from ingesting tunnel dirt.


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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Apr 8 15:41:56 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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This looks great!

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 8 15:52:00 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 8 11:28:53 2015.

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Notice the positioning of the taillights vs the headlights is reversed on the M-9s.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Apr 8 15:55:40 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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This looks great!

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 16:05:47 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 14:13:47 2015.

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I wouldn't mind if they were both independent railroads with no organizational unification, but since they're both MTA railroads, number clashes are frowned upon.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by BMRR on Wed Apr 8 16:14:28 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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Are the M9 cars going to be compatible with the M7 cars?

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 8 16:15:34 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 16:05:47 2015.

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They *are* both independent railroads with no organizational unification. They are two separate railroads both owned by the state of New York, and operated by the MTA.

ROAR

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Mr. MTA on Wed Apr 8 16:25:16 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by BMRR on Wed Apr 8 16:14:28 2015.

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Unlikely since the M7's were built by Bombardier while the M9's are being built by Kawasaki.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 16:48:48 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 16:05:47 2015.

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Whose trains shall never meet, so who is "frowning" upon it ?
On the other hand, NJT, Amtrak, and LIRR can meet.
So can Amtrak and MN.

Shall every railroad be required to have 5 digit numbers assigned by FRA to avoid such numbering conflicts ?


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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 16:50:49 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 16:05:47 2015.

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no issue as lirr and mn don't operationally interact.


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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 16:51:37 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by BMRR on Wed Apr 8 16:14:28 2015.

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no they are not.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Apr 8 16:57:29 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 16:50:49 2015.

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no issue as lirr and mn don't operationally interact.

Yet. :-p

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Apr 8 17:00:29 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by r30a on Wed Apr 8 14:26:24 2015.

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Yes, but still, the M9 is undoubtedly the best looking commuter rail EMU since the delivery of the M6 fleet.

And yet, it's still uglier than anything the English and Germans have purchased for their regional railways for the past two decades.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 8 17:00:39 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 16:51:37 2015.

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Why not? There is no good reason why they canít be specified to be fully compatible with M-7s.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 17:18:39 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Apr 8 16:57:29 2015.

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and even then FRA communications rules allow for it, radio and writen instructions must include name of railroad as part of call.


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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 17:20:24 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 8 17:00:39 2015.

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specifications do not call for it and it actually specifies on avoiding compatibility.


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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by sloth on Wed Apr 8 17:21:17 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 8 17:00:39 2015.

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Because the M-7s run a very outdated version of Windows.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Apr 8 17:40:52 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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In theory, could the M9 run on catenary?

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 8 18:01:44 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Apr 8 17:40:52 2015.

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It's called an M8

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 8 18:02:17 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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Neat enough looking. Why would they be secretive about it?

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 8 18:03:53 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by The Silence on Wed Apr 8 12:34:13 2015.

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I would prefer that SIR receive subway-type equipment.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 8 18:25:33 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Apr 8 16:50:49 2015.

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"no issue as lirr and mn don't operationally interact."

And never will. Too may operational differences & different collective barganing agreements, aka work rules & pay scales.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 8 18:26:21 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015.

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What do you think?



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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 8 18:30:38 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Apr 8 16:57:29 2015.

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Doesn't Matter. LIRR 9001 is a different machine from MNCR 9001.

Long Island 9001 is the full nomenclature of the above equipment,
Metro North 9001 is a different machine.
Amtrak 9001 is a third machine.
BNSF 9001 might be on the same consist with NS 9001.

Where is the problem.

ROAR

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Apr 8 18:31:07 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Mr. MTA on Wed Apr 8 16:25:16 2015.

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That's not the reason they are incompatible.

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Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 8 18:32:20 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by sloth on Wed Apr 8 17:21:17 2015.

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Yeah, Windows NT; The 9s will run on Windows ME.


ROARING

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