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Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 14:41:41 2015 |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 2 15:01:42 2015, in response to Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 14:41:41 2015. It was a "new" trolley line in which most trolley systems only went downhill.Of course there was the Riverside Line (1959 IIRC). |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 2 15:17:57 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 2 15:01:42 2015. staffed w/used PCCs from DC Transit. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 2 15:22:33 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 2 15:17:57 2015. They still looked like PCCs inside, at least. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 2 15:24:53 2015, in response to Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 14:41:41 2015. Since urban caving seems to be growing as a sport, maybe the NYTM should hold a seance in the Malbone Street Tunnel."If you're the spirit of Billy Luciano, lap your brake three times." |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Apr 2 15:33:05 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 2 15:24:53 2015. Let us return to the Jerome/Sedgwick Tunnel!--mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Apr 2 15:33:28 2015, in response to Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 14:41:41 2015. Great find!What was the "conductor's box"? Did they mean dispatcher's office? --Mark |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 2 15:37:19 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Apr 2 15:33:05 2015. Yes, they say if you're very quiet, you can hear the whine of a diesel starting up the Put. |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Apr 2 16:34:41 2015, in response to Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 14:41:41 2015. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this video.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 2 17:40:21 2015, in response to Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 14:41:41 2015. Wonderful! I wasn't familiar with this video. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Apr 2 18:42:50 2015, in response to Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 14:41:41 2015. I wonder how much it cost them to do all of that? Was it even worth it? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 2 18:49:15 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 2 15:01:42 2015. Only went downhill? That sure was a big brake shoe budget. |
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Posted by milantram on Thu Apr 2 20:14:13 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Apr 2 18:42:50 2015. To the Leonard Brothers, it was well worth it.And initially, at least, to Tandy Corp., which took over the store and built Tandy Center, also served by these ex-Washington trolleys. Later, the PCCs were rebuilt with new bodies, called "Radio Shack Modern", but when they came around that turn at the bottom of that grade and roared up to the top station, there was that old familiar PCC wheel squeal and classic PCC motor hum. A marvelous ride! Thanks, Irwin, for posting this! |
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Posted by bzuck on Thu Apr 2 21:43:59 2015, in response to Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 14:41:41 2015. I was lucky to ride it in 1974. Does anyone know when it closed? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 2 23:42:09 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by milantram on Thu Apr 2 20:14:13 2015. Wow!! This video is too cool!Thanks for sharing! This tunnel has been often written about and cited as a subway oddity, but I've only seen a few still photographs of the line, above ground. It was wonderful to see the period film, and of course exploring the length of the tunnel. The early b & w construction shot looks like it could have been in the Bronx for the Sedgwick-Jerome tunnel. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 2 23:43:45 2015, in response to Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 14:41:41 2015. - also appreciated the posts about PCC details. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 3 01:38:10 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 2 15:37:19 2015. I rode the Put behind STEAM. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 3 01:40:25 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 2 23:42:09 2015. Y'all might find these interesting, videos when it was still running: |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 3 05:53:35 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 3 01:40:25 2015. Thanks for putting these up! |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 3 06:32:50 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 3 01:38:10 2015. Regular service? |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Apr 3 07:50:43 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Apr 2 15:33:05 2015. Field trip! |
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Posted by Beebo on Fri Apr 3 08:59:56 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 2 15:22:33 2015. I think they used to have some Boston stock, too. I used to work there, and rode the thing daily. Several years prior, I lived in Brussels, which also had an extensive PCC fleet. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Fri Apr 3 09:01:33 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Apr 2 15:33:05 2015. August 8, 2004 - Polo Grounds Shuttle TOUR
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Posted by Beebo on Fri Apr 3 09:05:42 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Apr 2 15:33:28 2015. If I recall, the box had levers to control the switches. The line really didn't need a dispatcher, per se. Walkie Talkies and line of sight were more than enough. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 3 12:50:59 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Apr 3 07:50:43 2015. Hasn't the tunnel that was previously accessible been sealed up, since those field trips back in the 90s? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Apr 3 13:11:17 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 3 12:50:59 2015. Yes, it was sealed up back around 2002 I think. But that's a long time ago; maybe things are different now! :)--Mark |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 3 13:14:35 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Apr 3 13:11:17 2015. Hope so. I was on the first field trip - you were one of the people with a video camera correct? |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Fri Apr 3 13:22:51 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 3 12:50:59 2015. The tunnel is sealed but the stations are assessable, at lest as of 11 years ago.Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel (1346470) |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Fri Apr 3 13:23:08 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 3 12:50:59 2015. The tunnel is sealed but the stations are accessible, at lest as of 11 years ago.Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel (1346470) |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Apr 3 14:09:52 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 3 01:40:25 2015. Very nice. It's hard to believe they are PCCs. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 3 14:32:53 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Fri Apr 3 13:22:51 2015. Thanks.Nice photos at the link. During the 90's field trips, the northbound tunnel was accessible at Sedgwick - there was some kind of very wide, up and down rolling garage style gate - that resembled security kind of gates you see in storefronts. At the Jerome-Anderson platform, there was an open entrance (possibly previously sealed by a door?) where you could enter the length of the platform that was in tunnel, and from there climb down to the former right-of-way. A woman was on that first field trip, who had grown up in the neighborhood during the 50's and remembered and rode the shuttle, when it was in operation. She also said, that for awhile, after abandonment, the entire structure - tunnels and platforms, were acessible. She and her friends would explore it, and play hide and seek throughout it - serendipity of someone like this showing up on a tour, and then having these great stories about it - another typical "only in New York story." :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 3 16:17:03 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 3 05:53:35 2015. Thought you might like - they've been posted here before, but it's been a while. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 3 16:17:37 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Apr 3 14:09:52 2015. Yep. Bog standard PCC's with Winnebagos strapped on top. :) |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Apr 3 16:36:10 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Fri Apr 3 13:23:08 2015. Those are links to the Polo Grounds shuttle exploration, not the M&O tunnel. |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Fri Apr 3 19:45:53 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by bzuck on Thu Apr 2 21:43:59 2015. The last run was on August 30, 2002. I visited it about two months before the end.      Oops, I need to update the URL shown in the map. More pix here. |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Sat Apr 4 10:10:06 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Jon Bell on Fri Apr 3 19:45:53 2015. Oops, I need to update the URL shown in the map.Fixed it. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 4 10:13:50 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 3 14:32:53 2015. A lot of stuff you could explore "back in the day" has been sealed or fenced, it seems.One was going underneath the Brighton south of Neptune Avenue, where you can clearly trace the caps on the A1 and A2 track piers showing where those tracks descended to the surface for the old Brighton Hotel station. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 7 14:37:57 2015, in response to Re: Cowtown Underground: Exploring the old M&O subway tunnel, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 2 18:49:15 2015. But they more then made up for it with power savings. |
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