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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Mar 25 23:55:44 2015 1 Year test now on going in the Eastern Division |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Mar 26 01:09:27 2015, in response to CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Mar 25 23:55:44 2015. There's no longer an Eastern Division. It's now known as district 5, or the Queens Division. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 13:14:03 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Mar 26 01:09:27 2015. Nonsense. Even when New York City is abandoned after Interstellar War III, and is roamed by coyotes and wildebeests, there will still be an Eastern Division.There may not be a Queens anymore, though. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 13:16:44 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Mar 26 01:09:27 2015. one more piece of BMT (BRT) history, Brooklyn history, that has fallen out of use. :( |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 13:18:06 2015, in response to CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Mar 25 23:55:44 2015. maybe they should televise all those old films that Roger Arcara has put on tape... |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 13:20:58 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 13:18:06 2015. Sadly, it's Roger Arcara had put on tape. I believe they were all or mostly his own movies. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 13:33:07 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 13:20:58 2015. yeah, you're right - thanks for the correction. A great loss years ago - it was so sudden.I thought these were his movies and other people's that he had aquired over the years - the latter being those pre-war Manhattan el films. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 13:35:12 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 13:33:07 2015. That well may be.Roger is one of the "old guard" (or maybe now "older guard") whom I miss. A real old-fashioned gentleman. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 14:03:44 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 13:35:12 2015. "A real old-fashioned gentleman."yeah, totally agree with you on this. |
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Posted by milantram on Thu Mar 26 14:41:33 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 13:14:03 2015. LOL!Did you hear about the post-Interstellar wildebeest couple who named their first offspring "Standard"? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 14:44:59 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by milantram on Thu Mar 26 14:41:33 2015. What was the family name? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 14:51:16 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 13:16:44 2015. And Eastern and Southern Division (as rail divisions) predates the BRT. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 15:58:49 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 14:51:16 2015. That I didn't know.did these refer to the earliest LIRR operations or pre-LIRR; the various private railways that either operated to CI, or existed in Queens/Brooklyn? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 16:29:46 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 15:58:49 2015. There was only one pre-BRT property covering Brooklyn big enough to have a Southern and Eastern Division. Take a guess. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Mar 26 18:01:11 2015, in response to CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Mar 25 23:55:44 2015. I'm sorry. I should have said surveillance cameras have been placed in some cars on the J, L or Z lines. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:07:07 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 16:29:46 2015. Brooklyn Union? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 18:20:45 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:07:07 2015. SLRT, you've got me stumped. I would have said LIRR again with a question mark.Randy O thinks Brooklyn Union - do you mean the umbrella RR network, or Brooklyn Union gas..... Man, I'm stumped good.... if I'd have grown up in Brooklyn, would probably know this.... however I didn't :( |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:45:19 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 26 18:20:45 2015. I mean the RR as in Bkln Union Elevated. The other component of the BRT was Kings County Elev RR but I don’t think that covered any part of what became the Southern Div. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 20:06:10 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:45:19 2015. This large company's rail lines were originally equine-powered. |
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Posted by milantram on Thu Mar 26 21:16:54 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 14:44:59 2015. Gove. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 05:25:03 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 20:06:10 2015. Brooklyn City Railroad?(which was later leased to Brooklyn Heights RR, and then aquired by Long Island Traction Co.) - from Wiki. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 06:55:12 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 05:25:03 2015. Yes. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 09:13:57 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by milantram on Thu Mar 26 21:16:54 2015. I get it now. Although Menden had the patent, IIRC. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 09:17:25 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:45:19 2015. The KC did operate trains on the Southern Division Brighton, from 1896 until their end. |
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Posted by milantram on Fri Mar 27 09:57:36 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 09:13:57 2015. Typical. The man/wildebeest who designed the cars got usurped by his wildebeestly CEO. LOL |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 10:05:24 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by milantram on Fri Mar 27 09:57:36 2015. If you removed the center posts from the Standard doors, you might have gotten a wildebeest through them. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 12:48:08 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 09:17:25 2015. Forgot about that. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 12:52:02 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 05:25:03 2015. Since Bkln City RR was exclusively a surface operation, and was actually taken over by the BRT I don’t think really qualifies as an ancestor to the BRT. Also,I worked with a number of old time BMT Men who had started as trolley M/M and never heard any references made to a Southern or Eastern Division on the surface lines. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 14:14:49 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 10:05:24 2015. IIRC, earlier orders of Standard Stock for the Underground also had posts between the center doors.I think wildebeests in England, are just generally referred to as "Bounders"...... |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 15:42:50 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 14:14:49 2015. Never heard that. Around these parts, gnus. So what else is gnu? |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 15:50:42 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 12:52:02 2015. You actually thought to ask these "old timers" if they had ever heard of a Southern or Eastern Division on the surface lines? Why? And I am talking origins: how many of them researched early BRT history, do you suppose?If BCRR wasn't an ancestor the BRT, what is? You only think lines that became rapid transit are ancestors of the BRT? And the BRT had the BCRR (like other properties) by leasehold and the BCRR returned like the phoenix until 1928, was it was absorbed into the B&QT. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 15:52:39 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 12:48:08 2015. But it was never a "Southern Division" of the Kings County. More like trackage rights. |
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Posted by milantram on Fri Mar 27 16:10:30 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 15:42:50 2015. The GNicest Word Of GNature in the Zoo… (Flanders/Swann, At The Drop Of A Hat) |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 16:26:56 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 15:50:42 2015. I don’t think you could really consider the BCRR as an ancestor of the BRT since it was the BRT that took over the BCRR and not the other way around. In any case the Eastern and Southern Divisions being referred to are subway and elevated divisions and not surface divisions. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Mar 27 16:39:14 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Mar 26 18:01:11 2015. Definitely not the L. They're going into R42s! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 16:42:35 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 15:52:39 2015. True, since the crews were probably based what eventually became the Eastern Division. By the way, According to some of the old time BMT towermen I worked with, all the elevated towers in downtown Bkln which would include Sands St, Bridge Yd, Adams St cut and Park Row in Manhattan were considered Eastern Division towers even though they handled trains of both the Eastern and Southern Divisions. Navy St on the Myrtle El which separated 5 Av and Myrtle trains was also an Eastern tower. In the subway portion of the BMT, Broad St was also considered an Eastern tower even though tks R1 and R2 tracks south of Chambers St were numbered as and considered to be Southern Division tracks which accounts for the tk numbering change at the physical south end of Chambers St. All trains arriving Chambers St via either the Willy B or the Manny B were railroad north and despite the fact that the tracks between Chambers and the Nassau Cut ere Southern Div tracks, the train interval sheets at Broad St showed all trains arriving from the direction of Chambers St as “northbound” including the Culver and West End trains which were actually southbound. Why Broad St tower was assigned to the Eastern, I could’t figure out since not only was it actually in the Southern Division but prior to the installation of City Hall master tower the switches in the Nassau Cut separating the Bway and Nassau St services were controlled by Broad St tower. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 18:02:30 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 05:25:03 2015. Yes. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 18:08:09 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 16:26:56 2015. What? Maybe you should read what you just wrote. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 18:11:05 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by milantram on Fri Mar 27 16:10:30 2015. Ah Brave Gnu world to have such creatures in it. -- Shakespeare |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 21:28:20 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 27 15:42:50 2015. you are both giving me a run for the money with these quotes.... :)and happiness is a warm gnu...... Shakespeare, Flanders/Swann I'm impressed |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 21:39:29 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 14:14:49 2015. I admit... I'm pretty sure I made a mistaken assumption here....I got wildebeest mixed up with warthogs, which I assumed were known for nasty behavior towards other species. Was attempting to make a joke, comparing it to "bounder" English term for a man that is some combination of not nice/sleazy abrasive.... So, I guess I gnu nothing.... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 21:50:27 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 16:42:35 2015. just a complete stab/ guess in the dark here, could the towers you listed above perhaps have been considered Eastern, due to the way the telegraph system was set up - perhaps there were one or more central points within the telegraph system (???)* that was considered to be Eastern Div. and this was the one that served the towers above?(???)* complete and utter speculation on my part - I know nothing about early telegraph systems. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Sat Mar 28 02:53:27 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Mar 27 16:39:14 2015. That would explain the 1 year test, I guess. |
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Posted by milantram on Sat Mar 28 03:20:01 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 21:39:29 2015. No gnus is good gnus? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 28 04:12:57 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by milantram on Sat Mar 28 03:20:01 2015. yep. 'specially when delivered by a gnu-zi....nothing is gnu under the sun, not even the band gnus and roses.... I also wonder what former governor su gnu gnu is doing now? and of course, back in '74 what did the president "no" and when did he stop gnu-ing it? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Mar 28 10:14:07 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 28 04:12:57 2015. I resign. I gno gnothing. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 28 15:52:43 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by SLRT on Sat Mar 28 10:14:07 2015. gno kidding? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 28 21:19:43 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 27 21:50:27 2015. Towers that served both the Eastern and Southern Division would necessity have to be able to communicate with both in order to receive and pass on train info, so that wouldn’t have been it. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Mar 29 02:31:43 2015, in response to Re: CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 28 21:19:43 2015. ok, thanks. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Mon Mar 30 10:06:43 2015, in response to CCTV now in some subway cars, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Mar 25 23:55:44 2015. great I have been advocating this for years. ironically there have been articles recently about unruly passenger incidents contributing to the extensive delays and the number of unruly passenger incients have skyrocketted. Not only should every subway car have CCTV, it should be published though out the system and media. IIRC, didn't the FEds pay to have all of CHicago's rolling stock retrofitted with CCTV recently? |
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