|
|
| Re: Myrtle Avenue El (1343500) | |
 |
|
| Home > SubChat | |
[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]
|
Page 4 of 7 |
||
|
| (1344332) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 18 02:23:23 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Express Rider on Tue Mar 17 20:04:52 2015. Although I am not sure of the exact dates, I don’t believe the B of T came into existence before 1925. |
|
|
| (1344335) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 02:52:19 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Mar 17 13:09:48 2015. What the hell...You act as if YOU were the only person who had a hard time. You,and a whole bunch of folks had to deal with crap,and didn't or couldn't move away. No...you were one of those cry babies who took the money and ran..just like the rest of those white flight bitches. People like my parents, who were able to sell and move away ,STAYED...and helped improve our block through neighborhood watch...community association etc.. What about Now? There are MORE whites moving into our neighborhood Now than ever before! Hell..my next door neighbors are Asian And White...and guess what..we are the best of friends! Yeah,times were rough,but are you being honest about the cause...or just bitching for the other fucked up people who feed on this bullshit? I think you are a bigot,using your issues to hype up your animosity in undignified ways,and passing it off as "truth"... |
|
|
| (1344336) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 03:01:03 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Mar 16 13:58:57 2015. Maybe if you stop using what happened to YOU, as a history guide for Everyone.. you might be able to tell the truth once in awhile.The ONLY Reason you are even here...You and the rest of the usual BITCHES...is to Whine about what You believe was a toxic situation..Your version of shit...due to your yellow spined cowardice. |
|
|
(Sponsored) |
iPhone 6 (4.7 Inch) Premium PU Leather Wallet Case - Red w/ Floral Interior - by Notch-It |
|
| (1344337) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 03:08:14 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 17 08:50:16 2015. See..that's the point.Nobody's saying it didn't go downhill.. I'm saying I know the CAUSE... and the results of that we are seeing today. For the life of me..I Wish ONE of YOU would actually TELL the Damn TRUTH about how and Why those neighborhoods faced such dramatic decline. THE Damn Truth...the Whole truth. |
|
|
| (1344338) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 03:20:33 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Mar 17 14:30:36 2015. Wow..Thanks for showing your true face,buddy. You forgot one Moose riding inbreeders whole have ten kids with their sister Aunt...who boil pot liquor for moonshine...who live in housing projects/trailer parks.. Or the group who hoards their money..goes on welfare..for All the benefits they can get..while the husband runs his business...living in public housing. I do Social Work...I Speak to these people EVERY Fucking Day...and You'd be surprised to see the majority of the folks who come in for ASSISTANCE are NOT who you think. Fuck off. |
|
|
| (1344339) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 03:23:13 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by trains61 on Tue Mar 17 13:47:35 2015. Hah...I attended Junior Academy for One semester.My mom taught at PS.309... |
|
|
| (1344340) | |
Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western |
|
|
Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 03:27:52 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 12 00:32:08 2015. Yes..and it remains so till this very day.So much so,that the B54 is under review for SBS treatment. |
|
|
| (1344359) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Express Rider on Wed Mar 18 09:55:37 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 18 02:23:23 2015. Thank you. I am looking this up, but haven't found any source yet which cites a confirmed starting date. |
|
|
| (1344381) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 18 13:23:34 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 18 02:23:23 2015. The Board of Transportation was originally created in July, 1923 with John H Delaney as its head. A year later, in July, 1924, it became fully staffed. In 1925, it was entrusted with the funds to build subways, gaining its independence from the Board of Estimate and the old Transit Commission. |
|
|
| (1344383) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Mar 18 13:26:00 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 02:52:19 2015. he is no bigot,he is telling it like it is.when the north side of east new York started to turn burglaries skyrocketed,muggings increased.this was not done by people from other ~hood`s but from the people moving in.I know this for a fact because I locked up enough of them.so much for "pussy white flight"these people saw what was going on and left when they got a halfway decent price for their house.DON`T EVEN THINK ABOUT CALLING ME A BIGOT ON THIS: |
|
|
| (1344392) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Wed Mar 18 14:45:31 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Mar 17 13:13:12 2015. Back then, there was no preservation movement in that area or at Pratt. It was looked upon as being non-progressive and all those other dismissives.Removal of the ancient and dirty el(s) and streetcars were the starting steps towards us getting our flying nuclear powered cars to our fabulous shiny new condos in the sky. And I'm only being half sarcastic. |
|
|
| (1344409) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Wed Mar 18 16:14:51 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 02:52:19 2015. It sure as hell sounds like anyone who disagrees with you is a bigot. Go grab yourself an extra large crying towel. |
|
|
| (1344446) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 18 21:14:37 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Wed Mar 18 14:45:31 2015. So, I guess there weren't too many students/staff there that used the Grand Ave station of the Myrtle Ave el, right? |
|
|
| (1344449) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 18 21:23:38 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 02:52:19 2015. I assume that you must live in East New York, near New Jersey & Jamaica Aves, right. The area that tunnelrat just described as the north end of east New York, that went downhill first, right? |
|
|
| (1344451) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 18 21:49:06 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 16 15:49:00 2015. I know you moved out of Brooklyn, but the area has long since recovered. Properties like this have been going for premium prices for the last 5-7 years, even right across the street from the projects. |
|
|
| (1344452) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 18 21:50:46 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Mar 17 14:58:44 2015. You mean the way that Bed-Stuy is the same way it was 25 years ago? |
|
|
| (1344470) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 19 00:23:44 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 18 13:23:34 2015. Thank you, thank you, thank you for the info., the starting date, and importantly, the other fomration milestones.I'm sure I read the year of formation somewhere (at some point), but the date/details had vanished from my memory. During my initial search, I did find out that the 1922 presentation of the original IND routes (today's first phase) was presented by the state Transit Commission. |
|
|
| (1344495) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 19 07:13:40 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Mar 17 17:27:55 2015. Which is why Randyo's thought to run it into Manhattan via the IND would make more sense. And, except for the fact that the El was replaced by a tunnel, that's what happened... |
|
|
| (1344497) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 19 07:56:08 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 18 21:49:06 2015. LOL!!! No kidding!!! I was talking about the 70's. The 80's. It was a hellhole where the Myrtle El once ran. How does that translate into "you don't know it got better".We all know it got better. It's like Disneyland there now compared to the 70's. But that doesn't change that it was crap in the 70's |
|
|
| (1344516) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Thu Mar 19 11:59:08 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 19 07:56:08 2015. I lived in Ft. Greene all my life until 1971. The place was going to hell in a hand basket in the late '60s and early '70s. My father worked for the LIRR and it was convenient for him to get to work. When he died in '71 we bailed to Bay Ridge but not before my mother got mugged and my car stolen. The Ft. Greene projects, once a haven foe middle class folks, had become a haven rampant in crime. I'm not saying who the culprits were but I'll let you figure it out. |
|
|
| (1344520) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by j trainloco on Thu Mar 19 13:19:03 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 19 07:56:08 2015. When you wrote: "the area has finally begun to recover", I gathered that you were not aware the the recovery actually began a long time ago. |
|
|
| (1344536) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Mar 19 15:27:44 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 19 00:23:44 2015. Probably, at this point, Mayor Hylan decided that the City should build/run the IND. Thus, the Board of Transportation was born. Hylan empowered the new Board gradually, so as not to start trouble with the State transit Commission. |
|
|
| (1344537) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Mar 19 15:30:23 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 18 21:23:38 2015. Which St peter's Luthern Church do you belong to- the one on Bedford Ave, or the other on Arlington Place, in Highland Park- East NY? |
|
|
| (1344543) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Mar 19 16:17:32 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Thu Mar 19 11:59:08 2015. Don't say any more, unless you want to be labeled an, "Archie Bunker", like I was! Apparently, your mother's mugging, my mugging, and your stolen car mean nothing to certain posters here! |
|
|
| (1344561) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 19 18:28:37 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Mar 19 15:27:44 2015. Hylan always felt that the city should run the IND. Certain documentation I have seen seems to indicate that the Board of Transportation actually replaced the PSC for the First District. |
|
|
| (1344567) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 19 18:45:59 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Mar 19 16:17:32 2015. OT - Carroll O'Connor, great actor....sad about his passing - headlines in the tabloid magazines.... for him and others with illness always read: [celebrity's name] "Brave Last Days" - to me that headline is Godawful disgusting, but to the publishers, it sells product... |
|
|
| (1344594) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Thu Mar 19 21:26:56 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by j trainloco on Thu Mar 19 13:19:03 2015. Please. |
|
|
| (1344629) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Mar 20 01:10:47 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Mar 19 15:30:23 2015. The St. Peters on Bedford was closed a couple of years ago and property sold, literally a few months after Pr. Gutu died. St. Luke's on Washington was also closed last year. |
|
|
| (1344631) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Mar 20 01:13:34 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 18 21:14:37 2015. Couldn't say for sure, I'd have to ask the people who were around then that I knew, but sadly they all have since passed on. It probably wasn't too many that used that station remnant. The Washington Ave. was literally two blocks away. |
|
|
| (1344673) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 20 14:18:46 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Mar 20 01:10:47 2015. Is the one on Arlington Place, East NY, still open? |
|
|
| (1344674) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Mar 20 14:31:51 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 20 14:18:46 2015. Don't know, that one might be Missouri Synod. If they have a website, that might be the best way to find out. |
|
|
| (1344681) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 20 15:40:12 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 03:08:14 2015. Why is it such a nerve touched? No one was saying anything bad or nonfactual. Someone said that no one cared that the Myrtle El closed in 1969 based on what the neighborhood was at the time.It was agreed the neighborhood was bad back then, and continued to be into the 80's. No one said anything else and then people with the "well you must not realize the neighborhood is not like that anymore with a snotty attitude. Well duh, no one was saying it was still as bad as back then. I don't get the snotty attitudes. |
|
|
| (1344682) | |
Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 20 15:44:50 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 18 03:27:52 2015. Not to mention Downtown Brookilyn has skyrocketed as a destination in the last 25 years, and continues to boom. |
|
|
| (1344683) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 20 15:45:46 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Mon Mar 16 18:04:24 2015. That was the attitude back then, and for decades afterwards.That said, even without that, one of the first nails for the Myrtle was being cut back to Bridge/Jay. |
|
|
| (1344684) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 20 15:58:35 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 20 15:45:46 2015. How was the neighborhood along the Lexington Avenue el ?I am thinking maybe they tore down the wrong el in the early 1950's ? |
|
|
| (1344692) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 20 17:14:29 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 20 15:58:35 2015. From what I heard from the old timers, the Lex had even lower ridership. Don’t forget the Bkln Navy Yard provided a lot of the ridership for Myrtle until it closed. |
|
|
| (1344695) | |
Repetitive City Names (was: Re: Myrtle Avenue El) |
|
|
Posted by milantram on Fri Mar 20 18:22:21 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Express Rider on Tue Mar 17 00:25:49 2015. Conversation reported in the San Francisco Chronicle by the late, great columnist Herb Caen:Two men meet on the street. First man asks the second man where he's from. Second man gushes and says, "I'm from New York, New York!" First man: "That's nice. I'm from Walla Walla." |
|
|
| (1344696) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Mar 20 18:25:43 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 20 14:18:46 2015. Yes, that St. Peter's is still going. That's Bshp. Benecke's church, Missouri Synod. Met him a few times. |
|
|
| (1344699) | |
Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western |
|
|
Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 20 19:36:08 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 20 15:44:50 2015. So the best substitute we can ever expect from Ronan's destruction is SBS on the replacement bus service. |
|
|
| (1344701) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 20 20:05:10 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 20 15:58:35 2015. I saw an article in the a 1937 Brooklyn Eagle that suggested removing the Lexington el. The street, itself, had nothing on it except residential buildings and a few small stores. The neighborhood began to "change"(dare I say more?) beginning in the early 1930, starting around Lexington & Grand, according to photos I've seen. Lexington Ave never had trolley tracks because of trolley lines on parallel streets. Even if they wanted a bus route on it, the placement of the support columns directly under the el tracks made that impossible. The Lex el was probably kept up because of the Brooklyn Navy yard, during WWII. After the war, there was talk of removing it in 1948, but nothing came of it, until 1950. |
|
|
| (1344703) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Mar 20 20:13:56 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Mar 16 13:58:57 2015. It's certainly not true that NOBODY opposed the closing and demolition of the line. I found this article that talks about some who did. There just weren't a huge number of them. |
|
|
| (1344704) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 20 20:25:11 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 20 15:58:35 2015. The neighborhood is irrelevant. The BofT kept the Lex in part to run a service for riders impacted by the closing of the Fulton el, with the A train going only as far as Rockaway Avenue. In 1944 the Park Row connection was gone and by 1950 they felt they didn't need it anymore. |
|
|
| (1344732) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 21 02:26:48 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 20 20:25:11 2015. By 1950, the IND Fulton St Line virtually duplicated the Fulton St el as far as Euclid (which was near Chestnut St on the Fulton El) and by 1956, the IND was connected to the Liberty Av portion of the Fulton El effectively duplicating the entire Fulton St el Service from lower Manhattan all the way to Lefferts. |
|
|
| (1344735) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 21 02:40:20 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 20 17:14:29 2015. Did the Lex have lower ridership because the Myrtle was scheduled for more service?If the Lex was scheduled for less service, with longer headways, (except during the rush hour?), than wouldn't people have felt less inclined to use it, walking west to the Mrytle or the IND? If the Lex had had better service, I wonder if it would have lasted longer? Although, if largly residential - I drove through there a few years ago, many small apartment buildings (maybe not that much comparative population density?), could that have been the reason for low ridership rather than lack of constant service? |
|
|
| (1344785) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 21 20:24:47 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 21 02:40:20 2015. The Lexington Ave el ran over a street without landmarks, big buildings, or heaavy traffic of any kind. I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that the stations, between Dekalb and Reid Aves, were unmanned at night and the fares were collected on the trains. |
|
|
| (1344791) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 20:39:21 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 21 20:24:47 2015. Karl B could probably attest to that. He remembers the Lex. |
|
|
| (1344794) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 21 20:43:04 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 20:39:21 2015. I'm surprised the 2nd Ave el didn't have a similar system, instead of closing the line down after 12:30AM. |
|
|
| (1344796) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 21 20:53:42 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Mar 20 20:13:56 2015. Very interesting, thank you! |
|
|
| (1344861) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 22 18:21:40 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 21 20:24:47 2015. Why did they put an el there to begin with ? |
|
|
| (1344865) | |
Re: Myrtle Avenue El |
|
|
Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sun Mar 22 19:06:22 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 22 18:21:40 2015. I don't know the answer to that but it predates the myrtle el....its part of the old BRT mainline....park ave el, grand Lexington, Broadway to van sicken. |
|
|
|
Page 4 of 7 |
||
