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Eye Candy Photo |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Feb 28 09:53:49 2015 Chicago North Shore Milwaukee at Milwaukee Terminal negative on sale on e-bay |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Feb 28 10:30:57 2015, in response to Eye Candy Photo, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Feb 28 09:53:49 2015. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this picture.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 28 10:47:52 2015, in response to Eye Candy Photo, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Feb 28 09:53:49 2015. now if that doesn`t want to make you cry,you ain`t normal. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Feb 28 11:47:25 2015, in response to Re: Eye Candy Photo, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 28 10:47:52 2015. You're such an old softie!Sniffle, sniffle. But, you'd cry over an empty bowl of pirogues. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 28 12:05:41 2015, in response to Re: Eye Candy Photo, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Feb 28 11:47:25 2015. AHEM,AN EMPTY BOWL IS JUST THAT,AN EMPTY BOWL.I,LL CRY BECAUSE I DIDN`T EMPTY IT! |
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Re: Eye Candy Photo |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 28 13:01:34 2015, in response to Eye Candy Photo, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Feb 28 09:53:49 2015. There's a Ramada hotel there now. You would never know. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 28 13:15:29 2015, in response to Re: Eye Candy Photo, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 28 13:01:34 2015. The Ramada is across the street from where the terminal was, which was just south of the Schroeder (now Hilton) Hotel, on the east side of North 6th Street and just a couple of blocks away from the current Amtrak station. A multi-story parking lot occupies the former station, FWICS. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Feb 28 13:44:06 2015, in response to Re: Eye Candy Photo, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 28 13:01:34 2015. Correctio. The Ramada Inn is across the street. There is an office building on that site today. |
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CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 14:42:15 2015, in response to Eye Candy Photo, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Feb 28 09:53:49 2015. The Trib has a small photo gallery of some of their photos of the North Shore, and IMHO their photo of a brand new Electroliner is some real eye candy.Were the shoes live when the trains were off third rail and running on the poles? And how did the cars MU? They don't seem to have anything on the pilot but a conventional knuckle coupler and an air line. Where is the electric portion? |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 28 15:00:43 2015, in response to CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 14:42:15 2015. Such gorgeous catenary structures! CNS&M was a real loss. Imsgine Electroliner IIs. I'll have an Electroburger w/ a Coke. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 28 15:14:26 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 28 15:00:43 2015. Imagine Electroliner IIsI could, myself. But street running on 6th Street in Milwaukee, especially South 6th? Bit of a problem. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 28 15:26:26 2015, in response to CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 14:42:15 2015. Modern transit people are spoiled. North Shore and CA&E interurbans used jumpers between the cars like the IRT’s Hi Vs and Lo-Vs to provide the electrical connections unlike Pacific Electric which did have couplers with electric portions. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 28 15:27:37 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 28 15:14:26 2015. So, maybe a minor re-route in Milw. I still think E IIs on a faster schedule--they did test the 'liners at 100 but decided the rewiring of all the crossing gates wasn't in the budget--and maybe some upgrade of the lower Ravenswood would make fione service--certainly better than the 'Hiawathas' run on the downgraded ex Milw main. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 28 15:30:13 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by randyo on Sat Feb 28 15:26:26 2015. spoiled? When they were changing to overhead after leaving Howard, a crewmand steped out onto the anticlimber hanging on with one hand and "throwing" the pole with the other while moving. Nice in pleasant weather, no idea how they dealt with rain, snow. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 16:36:07 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by randyo on Sat Feb 28 15:26:26 2015. So they used jumpers not unlike modern locomotives. Where were the cables stored and how were they plugged in? I don't see the MU jumpers or the plugs anywhere around the pilot. Were the jumpers stored on the car and somehow passed through the end doors?I guess I'll have to go visit IRM or the Fox River Trolley Museum again. It's a bit impressive that they did en-route adds and cuts without automatic electrical connections. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 28 16:57:21 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 28 15:27:37 2015. What about in Chicago? On the Loop or in the tunnels?I'd like to see an underground route for a restored CNSM in Milwaukee too, but the FTA and other federal regulations would make that a little out of reach cost-wise. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 28 17:12:33 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 28 15:30:13 2015. How could they possibly position the pole while running? I thought it was done while stopped. Wasn't it only after it had become the Skokie Swift that the change became on-the-fly with the modified poles? |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Bill West on Sat Feb 28 17:39:31 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 16:36:07 2015. Speaking to the hundreds of classical interurban companies, among which CNS&M was a heavyweight,-MU ability was core to the business concept and its success. If you see two motorized electric cars together, they're in MU. -I don't think enroute adds and cuts were common, it's at route endpoints where train composition would be changed. -rapid transit/subway couplers were likely viewed as expensive. Pacific Electric was one of the few I found in Middleton's "The Interurban Era". Having said all that, I too can't find the sockets in this picture or in a search of North Shore shots. They show more readily at each side of the end door on wooden cars but not here. The wood car ones are junior versions of diesel jumpers, about 8-12 pins. They could be under the anti-climber, either side of the end door, in the door jamb, rarely above the door (more common on mainline electric locos) but I saw many pictures where I couldn't find them at all. The other gadgets seen which can be discounted are the square box below the destination sign which is the headlight outlet and the round trolley retriever on the left face. Under the coupler are two air hoses for brake pipe and main reservoir connections. Anybody got a good picture? Bill |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 28 18:16:21 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 28 17:12:33 2015. While I cannot explain the technique, I witnessed it in June 1962. I have a slide somewhere of the crewman. I would have remembered if we had stopped. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Feb 28 18:18:32 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 28 17:12:33 2015. Conductor, trainmen all have steady hands. Motorman had to keep handle in coast until the all-clear was given. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 28 18:30:07 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 28 17:12:33 2015. Same way that it's done in inclement weather at Branford when backpolling and the trolley picks the wrong cable going over a frog. You step up to the plate, grab the cord, aim and let it drop into place. You just have to be a little more careful. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 28 19:03:16 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Bill West on Sat Feb 28 17:39:31 2015. They often cut/added cars at Waukegan on Milwaukee trains. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 23:19:09 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Bill West on Sat Feb 28 17:39:31 2015. -MU ability was core to the business concept and its success. If you see two motorized electric cars together, they're in MU.Yeah, that'd stand to reason. I was more wondering how the MU controls were conveyed from car to car. I'd never really looked at the couplers to realize there was no electrical portion. It is odd, but as you note, there's no apparent socket or jumper. Based on this video I don't see anything above the anticlimber, and I think the MU jumper might be what we're calling the main reservoir connection. -I don't think enroute adds and cuts were common, it's at route endpoints where train composition would be changed. According to this video they did enroute add/cuts at Highwood: The relevant portion is here: 6 minutes in. -rapid transit/subway couplers were likely viewed as expensive. Pacific Electric was one of the few I found in Middleton's "The Interurban Era". I thought the South Shore used MCB couplers with electric portions outside the knuckle. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Bill West on Sun Mar 1 02:23:34 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 23:19:09 2015. Enroute consist changes & Rapid transit couplers -indeed other examples exist. My comments were just that they were not the most common approach across the 700-800 operators in the country.MU socket location -A CERA reprint of a Westinghouse booklet includes the Waterloo, Cedar Falls & Northern. In a close up it shows the sockets on the same bracket that hangs the air hoses from the coupler shank. The MU cables look like 2 more hoses. For the CSS&SB this RailPictures shot does show a socket lower under the coupler of a preserved car as you have mentioned. Another shot is here. This arrangement might be a feature of wide swinging couplers for city curves. But despite the sockets being large I couldn't find them in older pictures from other companies including the one that started this post …until I found this preserved CNS&M car and looked under the coupler and behind the hoses. Dark shadows in most shots seem to be our problem. Bill |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Mar 1 15:50:44 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 28 18:16:21 2015. That would be some technique. And you have to do it four times if it's a four car train. Twice on an Electroliner, which must have had openings under each pole and above the Jacob's bogie. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Mar 1 15:51:49 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 23:19:09 2015. Too bad that video doesn't show the third rail to trolley pole transition. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 1 16:00:04 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Mar 1 15:50:44 2015. Technique, you bet. As to a multi car train, I don't remember how that worked. I only observed the rear guy that one time. My CNS&M rides can be counted on one hand. |
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Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo) |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 1 17:02:14 2015, in response to Re: CNS&M (was:Re: Eye Candy Photo), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 28 15:30:13 2015. I’m referring to modern transit people, not the old timers who were capable of putting up trolley poles on the fly. |
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