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Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 31 20:17:27 2015, in response to DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY, posted by GOlD_12tH on Sat Jan 31 18:06:14 2015. If you've been vaccinated, you're not at risk.So almost no one has a good reason to be at risk. Unfortunately, a lot of people have a bad reason. |
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Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY |
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Posted by steamdriven on Sat Jan 31 21:04:50 2015, in response to Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 31 20:17:27 2015. The vaccine, like all medicine, is not 100% effective. For measles it is around 85%, so if you are vaccinated and exposed you have some risk of catching it, let's say 10%.The biggest risk is to infants; they can't be vaccinated until 12 months. They can get ear infections serious enough to cause permanent hearing damage, and in about two out of every thousand cases encephalitis and brain damage. If about 95% of a population is vaccinated, measles is effectively terminated; it can't reproduce fast enough to spread. If less than the critical number are immune(idk the exact figure), it will not only spread but can mutate so that the vaccine no longer works. That would be a great joy to the tinfoil hat folks (they put out a book describing it as "...Marvelous Measles", I won't link to it), and quite a setback for public health. |
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Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sat Jan 31 23:33:57 2015, in response to DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY, posted by GOlD_12tH on Sat Jan 31 18:06:14 2015. It was train 283. |
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Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Feb 1 04:59:02 2015, in response to Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 31 20:17:27 2015. Everyone used to get measles. I had it, my brother had it, my friends had it. Today they make it sound like this horrible disease, but it really isn't such a big deal. |
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Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 1 05:06:28 2015, in response to Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Feb 1 04:59:02 2015. Kids haven't been getting immunized in the past couple of decades between the right wing conspiracies, and lack of access to health care. An extremely large number of those under 30 never had the shot.That's also the reason for the push on "shingles" for older adults, because the kids never got their chicken pox either. When someone infected with shingles is among young'uns, they will get chicken pox and it's pretty nasty. I won't play with the political morons here, but Obamacare will finally DO something about this. For those exposed though, it will be a world of hurt if they didn't get the immunizations for this. |
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Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Feb 1 06:47:13 2015, in response to Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 1 05:06:28 2015. I had chicken pox too, and it wasn't "pretty nasty" at all. It was a few days of lying in bed with a fever and an odd-looking rash on my face (and odder-looking calamine lotion applied to it). My mother caught it too, and finally my brother. He was feeling left out when he initially didn't catch it, and my Mom still talks about how he said "Yay, I got the chicken pox" when he finally did. I do think that is an odd thing to say, but there was no "world of hurt". I think the fear-mongering that surrounds these diseases today is very troubling. |
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Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 1 07:18:58 2015, in response to Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Feb 1 06:47:13 2015. Yep. Agreed, me too, and no big deal as a kid. But it's different now. Shingles causes pain worse than surgery now, and the chicken pox has mutated over decades into some pretty serious stuff. Both are the same infection. It ain't like the old days.And to agree with you, I'm one of the Klingon mindset. Suffering? Good! That all aside though, these are sensitive times and you were lucky there, so was I. For many, it can be pretty serious indeed with folks conditioned these days to always have comfort and no "inconveniences" lest they feel the urge to go to court because any inconvenience requires excessive compensation. Shingles though is pretty serious stuff, and can be brought on in immunity-compromised individuals. Same virus as chickenpox, but way more serious. Only reason I mention that is because shingles is wide-spread amongst the elderly now, and those who are exposed to it get chickenpox instead. That's most likely the source of all this - shingles remains dormant for decades, then re-emerges and results in chickenpox for those who never had it before. |
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Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 1 07:39:25 2015, in response to Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Feb 1 04:59:02 2015. Today they make it sound like this horrible disease, but it really isn't such a big deal.It's usually not a big deal unless you die from it, or get it while pregnant, or get it when you already have an autoimmune disease. |
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Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Feb 1 07:43:03 2015, in response to Re: DOH: Student With Measles Traveled on Amtrak Train from Penn Station to Albany, NY, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Feb 1 04:59:02 2015. Today they make it sound like this horrible disease, but it really isn't such a big deal.About 2 in 1000 who get measles die from its complications. |
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