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I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by thetzar on Mon Nov 24 22:20:31 2014

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So there I am riding the R local downtown about an hour ago, stopping at Prince St, and I look over to see a 7 train pass by, a full R-62A consist. Empty, of course, with a few vest-wearers inside. The LED indicators were on, showing local.

Now, I understand HOW the train got there: The switches at Queensboro Plaza station. I can guess as to WHY: To get to the Coney Island Yards. But why would that train need to get there, and why would that transfer take place so relatively early on a weekday night?

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Nov 24 22:26:05 2014, in response to I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by thetzar on Mon Nov 24 22:20:31 2014.

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Might be a transfer on its way to its new home of Westchester Yard!


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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Nov 24 23:25:12 2014, in response to I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by thetzar on Mon Nov 24 22:20:31 2014.

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Not sure why the "local" indicators were lit-- a 7 on the R was obviously an express.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by The Silence on Mon Nov 24 23:26:33 2014, in response to I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by thetzar on Mon Nov 24 22:20:31 2014.

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A flushing consist would leave the line for two reasons:

It requires work Corona shop can't perform

Its being re-assigned.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Michael549 on Mon Nov 24 23:58:10 2014, in response to I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by thetzar on Mon Nov 24 22:20:31 2014.

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Just a question, what the #7 bookended by a set of IND/BMT type cars?

I believe that it was said on this forum that for an IRT-type train to use IND/BMT trackage that usually that the front and rear cars of the train (how-ever long) would be an coupler-connectable IND/BMT type car. This arrangement was said to be due to the trip-cock/trip-arm requirements of the IND/BMT system.

In any case, just a question.

Mike


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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 25 00:22:40 2014, in response to I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by thetzar on Mon Nov 24 22:20:31 2014.

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#7 line trains are the only A division trains that get heavy repair work done in Coney Island Yard.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by thetzar on Tue Nov 25 07:45:25 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by Michael549 on Mon Nov 24 23:58:10 2014.

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I didn't notice. The head of the train was past me by the time I looked up; might have been a protect car up there. The rear of the train moved by me in darkness, but it didn't look B division to me.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 25 07:58:17 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 25 00:22:40 2014.

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How many yards can true the wheels?

ROAR

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Nov 25 08:23:33 2014, in response to I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by thetzar on Mon Nov 24 22:20:31 2014.

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Well it ain't going to CIY via Brighton since there is no service between Brighton Beach and Stillwell until Monday Dec 1st. Q's terminate at Brighton Beach and B's end at Kings Hwy.
B's are laid up on both A3/A4, last weekend if you had a key could walk from the north end of Kings Highway to Ave H thru the B trains.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 25 08:41:03 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by Michael549 on Mon Nov 24 23:58:10 2014.

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I believe that some R-62a s have 2 sets of trip arms one on each side of the lead truck, making it possible for them to run on B division lines as is without the need of a B div pilot car

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by train dude on Tue Nov 25 09:05:44 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 25 07:58:17 2014.

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207th St.
239th St.
Concourse
Jamaica
Coney Island

If I remember correctly, are the only locations with wheel truing machines

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 25 09:28:49 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Nov 25 08:23:33 2014.

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Does "no service" necessarily imply no possible route for an out-of-service train to get through?




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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Jace on Tue Nov 25 10:30:18 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by train dude on Tue Nov 25 09:05:44 2014.

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Add ENY to that list too.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Nov 25 10:31:27 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 25 08:41:03 2014.

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Maybe the single units? IIRC, the R-33WF (singles) had dual trip cocks. I was visiting in NYC in 1999 and was waiting for the 7 at Queensboro Plaza (had come from Manhattan on the N) when such a move was taking place. There was a 33WF on each end bracketing 2 pairs of 36WFs. Not knowing about the trip cock issue back then, I was like, that sucks that the crew has to operate in an unairconditioned car. Now after years of reading SubChat (and SubTalk), I know better :)

BTW, this move took place during the PM rush hour. Meanwhile, a revenue e/b 7 was stuck waiting on the curve just west of QBP. Surprised they would make the move at that time, but I guess there was a good reason.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by train dude on Tue Nov 25 10:33:47 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by Jace on Tue Nov 25 10:30:18 2014.

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You are correct. That went in when the shop was rebuilt.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 25 12:37:23 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 25 09:28:49 2014.

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In this case, I'm assuming yes.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 25 13:05:00 2014, in response to I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by thetzar on Mon Nov 24 22:20:31 2014.

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Any time after the PM rush a CIT (Coney Island Transfer) can be sent to CIY for heavy maintenance work. I can’t account for the illuminated LEDs except that possibly one or the other has to be lit and they can’t be turned off. To answer another poster in this thread, the normal route for transfers to CIYD is via the West End unless one of the cars has very bad flat wheels in which case the train would be sent via the Sea Beach.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 25 15:23:58 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 25 08:41:03 2014.

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Thanks for the information.

Mike

(PS - I have got to better re-read, edit and correct my messages! I'm surprised that the last message could be understood.)

In any case Happy Turkey Day Everybody!

Mike

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 25 16:37:22 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 25 15:23:58 2014.

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U too Mikey.

Its a good day to run afowl of vegans!:)



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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Nilet on Tue Nov 25 23:42:34 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 25 12:37:23 2014.

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They're working on the switches so I assume the tracks are closed and powered off.

That said, the 7 train could still get to Coney Island via West End or Sea Beach.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by gbs on Tue Nov 25 23:48:04 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 25 13:05:00 2014.

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Apparently the LED's cannot be turned off, and must display either the green circle or red diamond at all times. All the laid up R62A trains in Corona Yard have those displays on all night. It's especially unfortunate when a train at Main St is going out of service; that would be a perfect time to turn off the lights, but they can't.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Nov 26 08:30:00 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 25 09:28:49 2014.

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Yes, that is why all the "B"'s will be laid up on the express tracks last weekend, Thursday and next weekend instead of going to the yard.
Thursday if I take the Belt I will try to get a picture of where the B's usually spend the weekend.

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Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line

Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 12:29:53 2014, in response to Re: I just saw a 7 train on the Q line, posted by gbs on Tue Nov 25 23:48:04 2014.

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That sounds like a similar situation to the Lcl/Exp signs on the ends of all the R types up to the R-40 slants. They had to be illuminated either “Local” or “Exp” but couldn’t be turned off completely.

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