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Posted by The Logic on Sat Nov 22 23:40:26 2014, in response to "Last Stop" display -- questions and comments, posted by gbs on Sat Nov 22 21:47:18 2014. "While biking over the Willy B this evening, I saw an in-service M train that had left Essex on its way to Brooklyn and its exterior side signs all still said "Last Stop", a remnant from its prior trip. Are those Last Stop signs displayed automatically when the train arrives at its terminal, or does the operator have to set them to that display?"Usually (or always) automatic. Usually (or always) no setting by T/O or C/R. Someone else might be able to tell you whether there are exceptions; I feel that there should be a numerical code to punch into the keypad for "last stop" in the event that they want to throw up that sign when it does not appear automatically. "Unless the sign system wasn't working properly, I'm guessing that the operator didn't reprogram the train before departing Essex St. Apparently just charging up the train and heading out in the opposite direction doesn't cancel them out." Yup. AFAIK, neither train movement nor charging has any effect on signage unless the train is programmed, in which case the distance the train travels is used to display the previous station and next station on TODs, distance to the next station on TODs, station names on info displays in passenger compartment, station announcements, and whatnot. "Now that the R188's are on the #7 line, I've noticed that when a train arrives at Main St, the "Last Stop" display remains shown all the while the train is open and accepting passengers for the next trip, often for 10 minutes or more, until the operator or conductor reprograms the train. This can be very misleading, since the platform signs may point to the train being Next but the train itself shows Last Stop, and passengers need to learn to ignore those Last Stop signs (which is unfortunate; signs should not have to be ignored)." However, the R44s and R46s have been creating similar situations for a long time. I suppose this is just an example of the many incongruities that exist in urban mass transit systems. "It seems to me that at in-and-out stations, like Main St or 207 St (A) or Parsons-Archer (E,J,Z) or 95 St (R), when such a train is going to be used again, the Last Stop signs should be turned off right away, so the train does not appear to be out of service. Only when the train is going to the yard and the terminal really is the last stop for passengers should the Last Stop display remain on." Some C/Rs reprogram the train as it is arriving at the terminal so the next C/R does not have to. So when the doors are opened upon arrival at the terminal, the announcements for the identity of the train and the station immediately after the terminal are played. (I would love to know exactly how they do this, it is great when the train has to go back out ASAP. I have only seen it done on R142s.) |
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Posted by The Logic on Sat Nov 22 23:42:16 2014, in response to Re: ''Last Stop'' display -- questions and comments, posted by The Logic on Sat Nov 22 23:40:26 2014. I mean I think there would be a numerical code to punch into the keypad for "last stop," and/r a way of throwing up that message by using the TOD. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Sun Nov 23 05:02:30 2014, in response to "Last Stop" display -- questions and comments, posted by gbs on Sat Nov 22 21:47:18 2014. Based on observation, the "Last Stop" sign stays on until the next C/R keys up the system. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Nov 23 09:42:32 2014, in response to Re: ''Last Stop'' display -- questions and comments, posted by The Logic on Sat Nov 22 23:40:26 2014. As for your last comment, I've seen it done at Rockaway Parkway on the L with what I'm pretty sure were R143s (I think it was before the R160s came along). The train arrives, and instead of the "leave the train" announcement, you get "This is a Manhattan bound L train. . ." |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 23 19:08:01 2014, in response to "Last Stop" display -- questions and comments, posted by gbs on Sat Nov 22 21:47:18 2014. I can’t necessarily answer for the NTTs, but I have seen many R-46s on the R Line where some cars of the train display different readings even though the C/R or T/O may have punched the proper code. One train going towards 95 St displayed 36 St in the first 2 cars, Last stop on the next 2 and 95 St on the last 4. I even saw one train that had 2 different inside and outside displays on the same signs. The outside signs read 36 St and the inside signs read 95 St. |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Nov 26 01:57:26 2014, in response to Re: ''Last Stop'' display -- questions and comments, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 23 19:08:01 2014. Yes, the signs on the R46's (and, formerly, R44's) are a mess. I recall seeing some A trains where some cars showed Lefferts and others showed Far Rockaway. I don't remember them being that bad when they were newer. Did something deteriorate over the years to cause the cars on a single train to show variant displays? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 12:32:50 2014, in response to Re: ''Last Stop'' display -- questions and comments, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 26 01:57:26 2014. Probably just some computer glitches caused by the normal vibration of the train. I imagine that the problem has now been corrected on the NTTs but the R-46s are still using slightly older technology. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 27 11:07:55 2014, in response to Re: ''Last Stop'' display -- questions and comments, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 26 01:57:26 2014. I saw an R-62a car on the (6) a couple of days ago that had the green circle for local lit on one side of the car, and the red diamond for express lit on the other side of the same car. (It was a local, so the circle was correct.) Sounds like the same kind of problem. |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Nov 28 02:17:26 2014, in response to Re: ''Last Stop'' display -- questions and comments, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 27 11:07:55 2014. That circle/diamond in the same car problem happened as soon as those cars were delivered to the Flushing line, though rarely, and it doesn't seem to happen more frequently, so deterioration may not be the culprit. We were told back then that the circles and diamonds were added on to and piggy-backing on existing electrical systems, so such problems were bound to happen. |
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