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Posted by MTA T on Thu Nov 20 05:20:27 2014, in response to Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:00:12 2014. Looks like the R46s will stay even longer past 2019 now lmao. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Nov 20 07:10:47 2014, in response to Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:00:12 2014. Looks to me like they can't figure out a replacement strategy. If there's another 75' car order, just order some extra units for SIR.If the subway will only be ordering 60 footers, they'll need even more for SI, as 5x60'= 300', as does 4x75'... |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 20 12:49:02 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by MTA T on Thu Nov 20 05:20:27 2014. What's wrong with that? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 14:17:53 2014, in response to Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:00:12 2014. So,they rather keep em around,than send a few R160 sets out there? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Nov 20 14:34:56 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 14:17:53 2014. The signal system in SIR is different, maybe the TA doesn't want to bother with modifying them to run on SIR signals only to run in SI for like six years. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 14:37:24 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 14:17:53 2014. lol. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 20 15:07:31 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Nov 20 14:34:56 2014. The signal system in SIR is differentTotally under the MTA's control. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 15:07:54 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Nov 20 14:34:56 2014. Why six years?Select a group of cars from the 160B group, about eighty cars,modifying to SIR specs and Keep them there for fourth years. that should take care of replacement cars for the near future. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 15:10:47 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Nov 20 14:34:56 2014. Why six years?Select a group of cars from the 160B group, about eighty cars,modifying to SIR specs and Keep them there for 40 years. that should take care of replacement cars for the near future. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Nov 20 15:16:59 2014, in response to Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:00:12 2014. Do the SI Railway cars still need to meet Federal RR specs? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:07:58 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 15:07:54 2014. You will have a car shortage on the mainland NOW. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:22:41 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 20 15:07:31 2014. They would cost a lot of modify due to the different signals. Plus their bodies would have to be modified: steps on the side of the cars which are not there now.NYCT has made their decision: 2020. We need the cars here. We will need more cars, more than the 50 cars arrainged in 5 car sets when Second Ave. opens. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:25:26 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by northshore on Thu Nov 20 15:16:59 2014. Yes to my knowledge. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Nov 20 16:29:48 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 15:10:47 2014. I assume you meant the SIR should have 160s on a temporary basis until SIR got new cars on its own.IMO its a waste to send 160s there, the FIND would be wasted, with the 188s they went back to the Strip Maps as odds are those cars won't run on any line but the 7, SIR will probably have the same route for the foreseeable future lol, with the North Shore it seems there heavy in favor of BRT rather than have trains run there again. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:57:43 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Nov 20 16:29:48 2014. +1. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 20 17:13:04 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by northshore on Thu Nov 20 15:16:59 2014. I thought it was no. SIRT is no longer, in any way, hooked up to the national rail network. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 20 17:21:41 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by MTA T on Thu Nov 20 05:20:27 2014. The R-46 is still a very basic and reliable car. Unfortunately when placed in a fleet of newer cars and with the prospect of replacement down the road, maintenance might miss a few things. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 20 17:35:37 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 20 17:21:41 2014. Yep. Deja Vu all over again. In the final years of the R-1/9s, most ceiling fans didn't work, many had one leaf doors, emergency 3d rail gap lights often didn't work. Dead motors..etc.Maintenance was minimal. Bottom line,If it charged up, it went on the road was the mindset.It was criminal the way most of those cars were ran straight. into the ground, especially the ones on the E,EE,F & GG lines, the lines I rode the most. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 17:54:00 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 14:37:24 2014. Where's the funny? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 18:09:44 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:07:58 2014. Thought that was mostly taken care of with the 160 and upcoming 179s. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 18:10:03 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:07:58 2014. Thought that was mostly taken care of with the 160 and upcoming 179s. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 20 18:12:12 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 20 17:35:37 2014. It's human nature. Why put effort into an old car due to be replaced soon. Keeping the herculean effort to keep the R-44s flying became more difficult once the R-46s arrived on the A line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 20 18:24:21 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 20 17:13:04 2014. Tell that to the train crews. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 18:59:40 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 17:54:00 2014. lol. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 20:23:07 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 18:09:44 2014. Cars are tight. As it is they borrow an R32 from the C and an R68/68A from the B to provide full PM service to the A. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 20 21:08:44 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 20:23:07 2014. If they're borrowing R32s from the C, why does the J still have at least one set of R32s? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 21:23:05 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 20 21:08:44 2014. There is a higher spare factor for R32's: 222 cars on the roster with 144 cars needed for AM C service with 136 required for PM service + 10 cars for the A.Recently the L and M have been requiring more train sets for rush hour service so these will help out. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Thu Nov 20 21:33:20 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 20 18:12:12 2014. You did just that with those 44s Train Dude,,,excellent job.WE-44 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 20 22:00:15 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 20:23:07 2014. They really use R-32s on the A ? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 22:38:16 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 20 22:00:15 2014. Why would I lie? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 20 22:56:35 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Westcode44 on Thu Nov 20 21:33:20 2014. Thank you kind sir. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 20 23:41:56 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 22:38:16 2014. I certainly don't think that, I'm just surprised to know they're using them in that capacity. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 23:47:20 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 20 23:41:56 2014. For the PM rush the A line requires 2 additional trains vs. the AM rush. One train, an R68 or 68A is borrowed from the B line, because they need one less train for the PM rush vs. the AM rush.The other train ran on the C line for the AM rush because that too requires one less train for the PM rush. After the AM rush 168 sends one train to 207 YD where 2 cars are added on for PM rush A service. |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Fri Nov 21 06:38:10 2014, in response to Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:00:12 2014. Aren't the frames inside the cars rotting? For some reason I just can't see those cars last until 2020. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 21 07:26:16 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 20 18:12:12 2014. The new toys get the most love, I suppose... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 21 07:30:13 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 20:23:07 2014. Well, I guess the bottom line is that the next capital program should be expanded to include larger new car orders. If the Vainglorious Governor wants his name on the units, so be it. First SMS after he goes, it's gone, LOL. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 21 07:31:57 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 20 14:17:53 2014. Makes sense to me.. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 21 08:48:55 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by R46 5636 on Fri Nov 21 06:38:10 2014. NO!The first 60 R-44s manufactured by St. Louis Car company were manufactured with frames that were 25% lighter than the frames of the rest of the order. Those were the cars that had the significant frame erosion. Even then, the NYCT R-44s were manufactured without vents in the car body near the frame. These vents would have allowed the escape of moisture that ultimately did damage the frames. The Staten Island cars had the vents. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 21 08:49:25 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 21 07:26:16 2014. Pretty much! |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 21 18:52:40 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 21 07:30:13 2014. What it means is they should not be so ruthless in scrapping all the R32's once the R179's get here. Every time they get new cars, they overscrap. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 21 19:07:12 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 21 08:48:55 2014. What about 388 - 399, which were indigenous to the NYCTA ?They all still roll like shit and make your teeth chatter whenever the brakes are applied. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Nov 22 05:00:06 2014, in response to Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:00:12 2014. Mail some M3s to Staten Island until 2020.Using LIRR trains worked in the 70s! :D |
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Posted by MTA T on Sat Nov 22 08:32:36 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 20 12:49:02 2014. Nothing. Just saying that is the R44 retirement is postponed, so may the R46 retirement. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 22 09:50:33 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Nilet on Sat Nov 22 05:00:06 2014. Great idea on paper but the M-3s 85ft length might not fit. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 22 13:25:10 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by MTA T on Sat Nov 22 08:32:36 2014. There are the 40 or 50 or 60 (can't remember) R179's coming in 5 cars sets. While forever to be fleet orphans, I do not know what they are for.Q train diversion to SAS ? What backfills for Astoria ? Send some R46's to R68's to SI ? Doesn't look like that is happening. I do think 20 such cars should be modified to SI, and SMS only 44 R44's, which would allow R44 use only during the rush periods. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 22 13:28:44 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 22 09:50:33 2014. Right. The MP72's were 81' long, and could not use a crossover near the tunnel as it was. They also ran 3 cars max. With a 4 car M-3, they'd have to close one car, and put up new stop and conductor boards.MN and LIRR do not have M-3's to spare. NH is junking the M-2/4/6. Even with pantographs ripped off, would they clear SIR with the roof humps ? |
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Posted by Rainman89 on Sun Nov 23 17:17:18 2014, in response to Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:00:12 2014. They Should reassign the R68A 5001 to 5064 or to 5070 to SIRT and also turn them back to single cars again for SIRT when the R179 come in and retire the R44 in 2015 or 2016 car for car when R179 arrive then keep all and SMS all R32/42 again run them on the B in the winter and Fall,Spring and the summer in the Q the extra R32 cars remain go to the Q for the 2ave ext. and W coming back to life Ditmar blvd to Bay parkway D line non rush to 9ave rather then Whitehall station so it can serve the people who want to go futher to Brooklyn when the R is alway delay, and if any left over R32 cars is remain after enough cars to cover the W, assign a train of R32 on each line as a gap/spare train for the A,C,D,E,F,M,N,R linewhen the R68 is time for retire then that when SIRT will get new cars |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 17:20:09 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Rainman89 on Sun Nov 23 17:17:18 2014. Chipper10? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 23 18:22:31 2014, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway R-44 rail cars will be retired in ..., posted by Rainman89 on Sun Nov 23 17:17:18 2014. I can't follow that. Can you break that up into sentences ? |
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