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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Nov 2 20:27:14 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by ntrainride on Sun Nov 2 20:25:05 2014. The stairway entrance is gone, replaced with concrete. |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Nov 2 20:30:07 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by VictorM on Sun Nov 2 20:27:14 2014. dang. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 2 20:48:43 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Nov 1 09:49:35 2014. I remember stopping there in the 60's. |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 2 21:01:39 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by VictorM on Sun Nov 2 20:27:14 2014. the subway entrance has been replaced with a subway emergency exit. |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 2 21:02:45 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Nov 1 09:49:35 2014. and people ask me where are the photos of 76st. |
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Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Nov 2 21:06:59 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 17:01:01 2014. The branch will still need the slots to Penn Station though. Even if you "steal" the slots from the current Far Rockaway branch (for instance, by linking the 2 into a single branch again) you'll still need more to match a 3 train/hour service, thus putting the branch into a 3-way political battle. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Nov 2 21:17:14 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by 3-9 on Sun Nov 2 21:06:59 2014. Just run them to Grand Central. It's not likely they'd get the Rockaway line back in service before ESA is finished. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Nov 2 21:21:04 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Oct 21 10:54:52 2014. If it goes express from Bway Junction to Essex St, then I would say yes. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Nov 2 21:22:10 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Nov 2 21:17:14 2014. They're getting ready to battle for those too. :-S |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Nov 2 21:26:09 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by 3-9 on Sun Nov 2 21:22:10 2014. Build more ESA! :D |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Nov 2 21:36:33 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Nov 2 21:26:09 2014. Build as much as you want, as long as no more tracks are taken from GCT. :-) |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Nov 2 23:13:43 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 2 21:02:45 2014. I was thinking much the same thing but did not want to be the first to say so. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 2 23:25:09 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by 3-9 on Sun Nov 2 05:02:58 2014. I doubt that. Based on many photos we've seen here, people vastly overestimate their photography skills and will take and posts photos of dubious quality. So I don't think that would have stopped anyone, even back then. |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Mon Nov 3 02:11:23 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 2 10:26:37 2014. This is another question I have. Where are the photos of Woodhaven Blvd before it was renovated? To this day I have yet to see a glimpse of what Woodhaven Blvd used to look like (except for the abandoned exit at the southwest corner of the mezzanine). It interests me to know as Woodhaven Blvd is also my home station. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Nov 3 04:14:40 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 2 23:25:09 2014. The difference is though, camera and film technology was more primitive then. In the past 10 or so years, with digital cameras, it's possible to take reasonably decent pictures, even in low light, unless your finger was on the lens or something. It may take a couple of tries though. In those days it was probably considerably less certain, and the number of shots you can risk taking was much more limited. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Nov 3 20:22:56 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 30 15:01:34 2014. I would imagine that the stairway entrances have been sealed off completely. |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Nov 3 22:57:35 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Nov 3 20:22:56 2014. They have been ever since the station closed in the 1970's. Does anyone have a picture of the closed off entrance(s) on Atlantic Avenue? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 4 01:05:01 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by murray1575 on Mon Nov 3 22:57:35 2014. i google mapped - satellite view the location...just sidewalk from what i could see. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 4 06:38:22 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Nov 2 18:55:41 2014. I wonder if there are any LIRR employees on this board, who might be able to legally venture onto the ROW and take pictures of this disused station? |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Nov 4 10:29:20 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 2 21:01:39 2014. You're right, I checked it out this morning. There are emergency exits on both sides where the stairs used to be. |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by sloth on Tue Nov 4 10:35:06 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 4 06:38:22 2014. A visit to Woodhaven is part of the introductory Emergency Preparedness class. So that is a possibility. |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 4 11:08:24 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 4 06:38:22 2014. interesting. i wonder how they get there, and what time of the day or night? |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 4 11:42:10 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by sloth on Tue Nov 4 10:35:06 2014. interesting. Thanks for passing on this info. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 4 11:42:20 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by sloth on Tue Nov 4 10:35:06 2014. interesting. Thanks for passing on this info. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 4 13:25:17 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 4 01:05:01 2014. The entrance stairwells should be directly under the Rockaway Beach el, unless I'm mistaken. Streetview shows corrugated metal on one side, and what may be bricks on the other, unless they've turned the stairways into sidewalk panels instead. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Nov 4 21:31:28 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 4 13:25:17 2014. Yes, the closed stairwells, which have been replaced with emergency exits on both sides of Atlantic Av, are directly under the Rockaway line overpass. There never was a mezzanine; the platforms and tracks are just one level down. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 5 07:04:45 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Express Rider on Sat Oct 25 01:49:00 2014. The third rail was the answer.The third rail on the "elevated" lines was shaped differently- taller and thinner, I think, and had no protection board (the wood plank you see above the third rail). As some of the pros on here have explained, the Sedgwick tunnel was built too narrow to accommodate the wider subway-type third rail. At the time the bulk of the 9th Avenue El was closed, there were half-hearted thoughts of tying the line into the subway, but that would have required expensive modifications to the tunnel. With the dropping of the plans to tie the line to the subway and the loss of the baseball Giants, there was, to "the powers that were" no justification for retaining the shuttle and especially not expensive modifications to the tunnel. And here we are... |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 5 07:10:13 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Nov 1 19:58:48 2014. Yep. It's right there. Instead, we got "Airtrain", which I consider stupid-... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 5 07:55:06 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Nov 1 07:20:24 2014. Yep.The whole story of public rail transit in the NY area is one of wasted money and opportunity. NO service in much of Queens and Brooklyn, far west side of Manhattan, almost all of Staten Island, and even LOSS of service where it previously existed- East Side of Manhattan, Staten Island...just to start!! |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 5 11:12:47 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 4 13:25:17 2014. Stairwells? Urban explorers don't need stairwells. Outfits like LTV Squad find other ways to get in to closed spaces. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 5 16:33:03 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Nov 1 07:20:24 2014. Actually, east of Grant was entirely new construction since prior to the dual contracts, the BRT had no lines in Queens supposedly by agreement with the LIRR. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Nov 6 03:05:29 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 5 07:04:45 2014. Thanks! |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Nov 6 09:48:02 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by VictorM on Tue Nov 4 21:31:28 2014. If it were every to see service again, the fair zone would resemble the North Conduit Aqueduct site.But which side would it be Manned, North or south, and which side would have egg slicers? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Nov 6 14:51:29 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 5 07:04:45 2014. You're welcome. My sources are the TA veterans and pros who post on here... |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Nov 7 10:08:14 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Avid Reader on Thu Nov 6 09:48:02 2014. the side with the deli counter. |
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Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station) |
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Posted by numbersix on Fri Nov 7 19:05:21 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by ntrainride on Sun Nov 2 20:25:05 2014. I went down there with two friends when I was in high school around 1971. The entrance to the station was still open but cops chased us out before we made it to the platform. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Nov 7 19:53:07 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by numbersix on Fri Nov 7 19:05:21 2014. sounds like what my cousin told me, although it was 1973. i was jealous of him, i'm jealous of you. what really kills me is i remember seeing timetables that HAD woodhaven stops listed...and i never boarded or got off there. even the fact that i took a train from union hall street to hempstead one night around the same period time offers little solace. it was cool, don't get me wrong, but not the same. hell. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Nov 8 02:03:15 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Nov 2 20:10:57 2014. Probably not. First I've been on atlantic branch trains and the trains come barreling through a lot faster than a subway at least 50 mph and that's a conservative estimate. If your on the catwalk there is no way you wouldn't get sucked into the train...wouldn't be a pretty. And unless there is an emergency exit to use it's a loooong walk to get to the station at least a mile or two and since the station has no exits a looong walk back out. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 8 22:25:58 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by ntrainride on Fri Nov 7 19:53:07 2014. wow, sucks for you |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 8 22:45:46 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Nov 8 02:03:15 2014. no |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Nov 8 23:31:55 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 8 22:45:46 2014. Yes. Even if there's emergency exits many nyct emergency exits have electronic sensors installed in them and I wouldn't be suprised if lirr is following suit with it's city emergency exits. Is it worth the risk? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 9 08:58:37 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Nov 8 23:31:55 2014. I'm saying you won't get sucked in if you're not an idiot. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 9 09:10:09 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 9 08:58:37 2014. But aren't you an idiot in the first place for trying it? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 9 12:12:52 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Nov 8 02:03:15 2014. That's simply not true. The catwalks are there so personnel can safely navigate the tunnel. If there were an imminent danger of being sucked into a passing train there would be extensive signage warning employees instead of a hand rail. BTW: I'm certain that in Track Safety Training you were taught how to stand adjacent a passing train and not get "sucked in", weren't you? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 9 12:13:50 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by AlM on Sun Nov 9 09:10:09 2014. Why would he be an idiot for trying it? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 9 13:02:04 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 9 12:13:50 2014. You don't think it would be extremely foolish to take a walk along the catwalk from East New York to Woodhaven Boulevard in the middle of the night?It's trespassing, so it's illegal. If that doesn't count for anything, there's still the decent risk of being arrested, spending time in jail, and/or getting a heavy fine. There's definitely also some chance of being the victim of a crime, though I don't know how big a risk that is. Also, is there a handrail for every foot of the way? If not, being in close proximity to a 50 mph train wouldn't be totally safe. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 9 16:02:33 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by AlM on Sun Nov 9 13:02:04 2014. 70 MPH train, isn't it ? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Nov 9 17:08:18 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by AlM on Sun Nov 9 09:10:09 2014. Depends on the individual. If it is an experienced urban explorer then it wouldn't be an idiot. If it was your average 16 year old railfan you see riding or chasing the Lo-Vs then it would probably be an idiot due to lack of worldly experience. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 9 17:20:41 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Nov 9 17:08:18 2014. Even an experienced urban explorer has a good chance of ending up with a criminal record. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 9 18:52:00 2014, in response to Re: Woodhaven Underground Station (Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station), posted by AlM on Sun Nov 9 17:20:41 2014. Getting a criminal record doesn't make you an idiot. Getting hurt does. That's what I was referring to. The getting sucked into the train thing. I thought that's what we were discussing. |
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