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NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 29 19:13:26 2014 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Stand clear of the open doors! Metro-North conductors are accidentally opening train doors at or near stations where they don’t even connect to a platform — exposing riders to dangerous falls, The Post has learned. “There was nothing to step on,” said one stunned Manhattan commuter, who shot a video of the hazard during his morning commute on the New Haven line last Monday. The clip shows huge portions of platform missing at the Fordham station in The Bronx, where a train has pulled in and opened its doors alongside a construction pit. “If you were on your phone, not paying attention, you could have been seriously injured. It’s a huge deal. They could have killed someone,” the commuter told The Post. The passenger later reported the incident to the railroad, as well as the MTA Inspector General, a watchdog agency. A Metro-North spokesman said it is taking the report seriously and the railroad is investigating. The frightening incident did not happen in a vacuum, said the Commuter Action Group, a riders’ advocacy group for the beleaguered railroad, which pointed to similar cases this year. In May, Robert Formentin took a horrifying photo of an open door on the first car on an embankment near the Talmadge Hill Station on the Merritt Parkway in May. “If somebody walked out, they would have fallen 30 feet,” said Formentin, 53, of New Canaan. “It slopes down. It could have resulted in someone getting hurt. They avoided a major disaster.” It’s all the more alarming because of Metro-North’s troubled history last year, which included a deadly derailment in The Bronx, two trains colliding in Connecticut, and a track worker being killed, he added. “One would assume security is heightened, and train drivers [engineers] are taking extra precaution,” he said. “But mistakes happen, and some are fatal. It’s an issue, and hopefully it won’t happen again.” In April, riders also watched the last doors of a New Haven train to Grand Central open where there is no platform at both Stamford and Westport during the afternoon rush hour. “I would encourage all commuters if they see something to say something,” said Jim Cameron of the Commuter Action Group. “If there ever is an incident like this, it must be reported. I would hope Metro-North would be swift and transparent in its investigation of any of these potentially dangerous incidents.” The railroad has been in the spotlight over the past two years for five accidents, including a derailment in the Bronx that killed four people. The National Transportation Safety Board, which has been investigating the accidents, will release its findings and recommendations at Grand Central Station on Tuesday. http://nypost.com/2014/10/27/metro-north-conductors-are-opening-doors-to-nowhere/
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Allan* on Wed Oct 29 19:19:53 2014, in response to NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 29 19:13:26 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Watch that first step - it's a lulu.
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Dave* on Wed Oct 29 19:30:47 2014, in response to NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 29 19:13:26 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Train Man Paul...any comment?
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by TerrApin Station* on Wed Oct 29 19:33:58 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Dave on Wed Oct 29 19:30:47 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d 1. Who cares what he thinks? 2. Do you think it would be wise for him to comment publicly on this matter considering where he is employed?
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Dave* on Wed Oct 29 21:34:49 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Oct 29 19:33:58 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Well, he works for MN. I thought he might offer an explanation as to why it happened.
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Oct 29 21:38:26 2014, in response to NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 29 19:13:26 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Someone needs to take a photo of an older MU vestibule with trapdoors and low-platform steps and write the words "Miss Me Yet" on it.
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Wed Oct 29 22:53:38 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Dave on Wed Oct 29 21:34:49 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He might. But would you trust it? Value it? And would it put him in danger?
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by The silence* on Wed Oct 29 23:10:24 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Dave on Wed Oct 29 21:34:49 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d His only comment should be "No comment", unless he wants to get into trouble.
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by The silence* on Wed Oct 29 23:16:23 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 29 21:38:26 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They won't because because your average person doesn't miss traps and low platforms. Railroad perspectives on the subject don't matter, from a general passenger perspective they are just better in every sense. Quicker entering and exiting. Immediate acess to all plat forming cars for those not of sufficent ability to climb stairs.
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Oct 29 23:49:35 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by The silence on Wed Oct 29 23:16:23 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d How do people get in and out of long-distance buses then? The only low-floor buses I've seen are the double-deck Megabuses, and they don't outnumber traditional cruisers. Then you've got Metra, with their gallery cars. Only option for the small percentage of passengers that may have problem with stairs is the wheelchair lift(s). Chicago's not converting to low-floor push-pulls, even though they're available. Face it: high platforms are a problem. No good for wide freight loads, no good at stations with express platforms (unless you have the steps and trapdoors), higher costs overall, people falling between the gaps where you have a high platform on a curve, and of course doors opening to "nowhere" as we see here. There are still steps and trapdoors in use on NJT, MARC, SEPTA, MBTA and the South Shore Line, just as things have been for the past 185 years of US railroading.
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by italianstallion* on Thu Oct 30 00:03:34 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 29 23:49:35 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Get on your time machine and go back to 1840 and leave us alone.
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by The Silence* on Thu Oct 30 00:53:49 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 29 23:49:35 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Low platforms can have all those problems and more. the nature of a high level platform, the drop it incudes, is a natural deterrent to everyone save the drunk and the stupid. and just the same, on a low platform, the can wander right in front of an oncoming train, which makes it all the more reason why higher speeds should demand higher platforms. You are abosulty comfortable with MBTA stations with no barrier right next to the tracks where the Acela is doing 125 to 150...
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Dave* on Thu Oct 30 07:17:02 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 29 22:53:38 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Unless MN had already issued a statement which we hadn't heard yet but he had.
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by TerrApin Station* on Thu Oct 30 07:37:30 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 30 07:17:02 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d FAT CHANCE of that happening
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Dave* on Thu Oct 30 11:46:13 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 30 07:37:30 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d True!
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by Nilet* on Thu Oct 30 12:42:31 2014, in response to NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 29 19:13:26 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d “If you were on your phone, not paying attention, you could have been seriously injured. OR, you could actually pay attention where you walk.
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Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere
Posted by The silence* on Thu Oct 30 23:20:10 2014, in response to Re: NYP: Metro-North conductors are opening doors to nowhere, posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 12:42:31 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Unfortunately it seems we can't ask that much of the geese... Real risk is a crowded train and someone getting pushy who can't see there is nowhere to go.
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