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Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Sep 20 00:38:13 2014

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Went to an event at Forest Hills Stadium tonight and the took the LIRR back to Penn Station afterward. NYPD/LIRR staff weren't letting customers on the westbound platform at the Forest Hills station without a ticket or payment. The only way to get to the platform was by showing a ticket (that they'd punch right there before letting on the platform) or by purchasing a ticket (in cash only; they weren't letting customers up to the machines without a ticket) at $6.00. Granted, it might have been possible to use the machines at the eastbound track, but I didn't try to go over there. At any rate, I believe the off-peak fare is $5.75.

I asked why $6.00, thinking it sounded a little high. My punched receipt (which was never checked on the train) says $6.00. The ticket seller said that that's the price of the fare. Turns out the fare is actually $5.75. It's not a lot; a quarter, not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, and I'm sure they don't want to be bothered carrying stacks of quarters for change, but I don't see it posted anywhere that the fare for that train, or trans after events at Forest Hills Stadium, is $6.00.

Does anyone know if they can make up a fare like this on the spot, while preventing customers from using the machines, which yields the correct fare? Is it documented anywhere that the fare is $6.00 after special events near this station?

Thanks!

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by BrooklynTrain on Sat Sep 20 01:04:14 2014, in response to Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Sep 20 00:38:13 2014.

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Belmont fares are even higher since those are "special event" trains. This sounds like an NYPD crowd control situation combined with LIRR round-up policy if not purchasing from a machine. You may consider the E/F next time - practically as fast & far more frequent.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:39:45 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Sat Sep 20 01:04:14 2014.

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Sounds right.

1. NYPD crowd control says you can't use the machine on the platform.

2. LIRR rules say a cash fare is rounded up.

So there you have it: $6, not $5.75. Go to the eastbound platform to buy your ticket and it's $5.75.




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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 20 11:15:59 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:39:45 2014.

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Better yet, buy a round trip ticket at your home station.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 20 11:29:30 2014, in response to Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Sep 20 00:38:13 2014.

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Their rules may state that they probably can round to an amount that results in less delay from making coin change in a crowded situation, sure. It makes cents.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by Hart Bus on Sat Sep 20 13:32:54 2014, in response to Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Sep 20 00:38:13 2014.

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Glad to hear that they are still having events there. Is there a website to find out them?

I went to FHTS on July 17, 1971 to see Creedence Clearwater Revival. I remember it well, because I bought a ticket off a friend whose girlfriend was ill. When I got home, my mom informed me that my grandmother had died earlier that evening.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Sep 20 15:11:17 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Hart Bus on Sat Sep 20 13:32:54 2014.

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I wasn't even aware of this stadium's existence until Lil Wayne and Drake had a concert there this past summer. The stadium has a website that shows all upcoming events, all Stadiums/Arenas do.

"Phil leash and Friends" is having a show there tomorrow night.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by aaron on Sat Sep 20 19:38:54 2014, in response to Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Sep 20 00:38:13 2014.

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I wonder how many people thought to buy a ticket on the Eastbound platform? That's a great call!!!

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by sloth on Sat Sep 20 19:52:04 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Sep 20 15:11:17 2014.

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Bob Dylan's second concert w/ electric backing (Robbie Robertson, Al Kooper, Harvey Brooks, and Levon Helm) was held there on 8-28-1965.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by gbs on Sat Sep 20 22:18:24 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by sloth on Sat Sep 20 19:52:04 2014.

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In the summer of '66 we saw the Mamas and Papas (with Jill, not Michelle) at Forest Hills. The opening act was Simon and Garfunkle (!), local boys who had attended Forest Hills High School a few years earlier.

A couple of years later S&G were the headliners, and they introduced "Bridge Over Troubled Water" there.

I recall that the seats were benches with no backs.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Sat Sep 20 23:28:12 2014, in response to Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Sep 20 00:38:13 2014.

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You were ripped off big time!

Your fare wasn't $5.75, it was $4.00 with CityTicket.

CityTicket is available on weekends for travel to and from Penn Station or Atlantic Terminal or any other two stations in Brooklyn and Queens (fare zones 1,3) except Far Rockaway, Mets-Willets Point, and Belmont. Mets Willets Point is excluded because it is an special events station. Belmont is actually within the city limits but is excluded because it is an special events station. Far Rockaway is excluded because there are stations in Nassau county and it is in fare zone 4, because of the stations in Nassau county.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 21 01:26:09 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Sep 20 15:11:17 2014.

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Surprising you never heard of that stadium given prior to 1977, it was the home of the US Open Tennis Championships before it moved to Forest Hills and what was the old Singer Bowl (converted to Louis Armstrong Stadium and The Grandstand).

I didn't know that stadium at Forest Hills was still there.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 21 05:12:16 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 21 01:26:09 2014.

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I think you have it backwards. It was in Forest Hills before it moved the Singer Bowl which was eventually renamed for the famous tennis player who played there often.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 11:46:52 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 21 01:26:09 2014.

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Wait a minute - you are surprised someone never heard of it, yet you didn't even know it was still there?

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by Hart Bus on Sun Sep 21 15:27:56 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 21 01:26:09 2014.

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Ah, the old Singer (the sewing machine company's 64-65 World's Fair exhibit. One day in 1968 the Young Rascals appeared there. I wanted to go, but didn't know where to get tickets.

I figured that since it was an open air stadium in a public park, I could sit on the grass and listen to the concert. After listening to The Nazz and The Vagrants an intermission was announced. Just as the loudspeaker was telling people to find their seats, a kindly ticket taker said to me and a few other listeners said "you kids want to see The Rascals? Come on in". I found a seat and wasn't asked to a ticket, nor the gentleman have his hand out for a tip.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by SLRT on Tue Sep 23 10:09:41 2014, in response to Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Sep 20 00:38:13 2014.

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My punched receipt (which was never checked on the train) says $6.00.

The punched ticket is to make the trainmen honest; doesn't matter if it was later checked or not.

Consider this could have been much much worse. An on-train purchase is now $6.00 EXTRA.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:11:24 2014, in response to Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Sep 20 00:38:13 2014.

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Sounds like you were charged the wrong fare.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:11:55 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:39:45 2014.

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2. LIRR rules say a cash fare is rounded up.
I don't see that anywhere.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:13:09 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 20 11:29:30 2014.

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Their rules may state that they probably can round to an amount that results in less delay from making coin change in a crowded situation, sure.
I haven't found such a rule.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:14:18 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by SLRT on Tue Sep 23 10:09:41 2014.

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Consider this could have been much much worse. An on-train purchase is now $6.00 EXTRA.
Why would you mention that? They couldn't force you to pay the on-board fare.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 23 14:03:38 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by gbs on Sat Sep 20 22:18:24 2014.

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From Wikipedia:

"Wednesday Morning, 3 AM is the debut album by folk rock duo Simon & Garfunkel, released October 19, 1964. It was produced by Tom Wilson and engineered by Roy Halee. The cover and the label include the subtitle exciting new sounds in the folk tradition.

"The album was initially unsuccessful, having been released in the shadow of The Beatles' arrival on the scene. This resulted in Paul Simon's move to England and Art Garfunkel's resumption of his university studies at Columbia University in New York City.

"Wednesday Morning, 3 AM was re-released in January 1966 (to capitalize on their newly found radio success with a later re-mixed electric/acoustic version of the song 'The Sound of Silence'), reaching number 30 on the Billboard album chart. It was belatedly released in the UK in 1968 in both mono and stereo formats."

So by the summer of 1966, Paul and Art were no longer just "local boys." "The Sound of Silence" had become a major hit (it reached #1 on New Year's Day 1966).

PS The album cover shown at that Wikipedia link is on-topic for this forum!

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 23 14:58:35 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 23 14:03:38 2014.

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I don't know when Paul Simon could have moved to England since he performed at Queens College for the Folk music classes which I took initially and continued to audit until I graduated in June of 1966.

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Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 15:11:10 2014, in response to Re: Incorrect Fare Charged at LIRR Forest Hills after Forest Hills Stadium Event?, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 23 14:58:35 2014.

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My high school had multiple Simon and Garfunkel concerts while I was there (Sep 1965-June 1968). Kids complained, not them again!



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