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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Artist Doves works on his mural, painted on the outside of a subway car. The Kingston event also featured vendors, live music and more. Artist Nover signs an autograph for a youngster at the event, billed as “The Burning of Kingston” in reference to both the city’s history and the term “burner,” meaning a superior work of graffiti art. T-Kid puts the finishing touches on part of his graffiti art piece. The Trolley Museum in Kingston hosted a unique art event Saturday, as several top graffiti artists were invited to paint the exterior of one of the museum's authentic New York City MTA subway cars. http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140913/NEWS/140919884/-1/SITEMAP Fine art afficianados, train enthusiasts and graffiti artists rubbed elbows Saturday at the “Burning of Kingston” event at the Trolley Museum. The event, coordinated by creative director of Mass Appeal and Trolley Museum board member Sacha Jenkins, featured a live exhibition by some of the top New York City graffiti artists, who also now are well known throughout fine art circle. Artists plied their trade on some of the subway cars housed at the museum and took time to speak with young and old about how graffiti art has evolved over the past 30-40 years. “Nowhere else is there a museum that houses an authentic New York City subway car, so this event was to get the most legendary graffiti artists from New York City up here to paint cars,” Jenkins said. “Just like in their youth, they continue to paint, any many of them are fine artists who exhibit their work around the world. Why not come here to Kingston to paint a train?” Jenkins explained that graffiti, especially on subway cars, was most prominent in the 1970’s and 1980’s as youth used the medium to express themselves and their culture. “Some people might have a problem with graffiti, feel it’s illegal, but it’s not prevalent anymore,” he said. “Today’s event is a way to present great appreciation for the art and demonstrate it in real time.” Jenkins explained that the event was called “Burning of Kingston” as a “burner” to a graffiti artist is a superior piece of work. Thirteen artists in all, ranging in age from their 30’s to 50’s, showed spectators the paints and other tools used to create the artistic effects. One of those artists, David “Chino” Villorente, said he was one of those youngsters who expressed himself with graffiti. “We’re hoping to take graffiti out of the circles it usually exists in and share it with everyday folk,” he said. “Sort of how the X-Games came out of the schoolyard and now it’s an annual event, we’re hoping to grow this, create an awarenesss of who the guys are and invite people to a family-friendly environment and let them see what we do. It’s rare that anyone gets to see New York City graffiti artists at work, especially painting on their favorite medium, a subway train.” http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-news/20140913/trolley-museum-hosts-burning-of-kingston-graffiti-themed-art-event
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline* on Sun Sep 14 15:07:08 2014, in response to R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nice!!!! Nice to see these graffiti artists support the museum.
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sun Sep 14 15:07:53 2014, in response to R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That garbage is not art.
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Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos
Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Sep 14 15:23:06 2014, in response to R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Putting graffiti on a museum piece is the equivalent of selling your soul to the devil.
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Posted by BMRR* on Sun Sep 14 15:46:21 2014, in response to R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Look at the windows of the R16, the car might have had a clear wrap. Why promote something like this...sick.
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Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos
Posted by Gold_12th* on Sun Sep 14 15:53:13 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by BMRR on Sun Sep 14 15:46:21 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d they need money and lots of visitors.
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Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos
Posted by Ray Jules* on Sun Sep 14 16:33:26 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by BMRR on Sun Sep 14 15:46:21 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If you don't want them to raise money this way, donate to the museum so they don't have to. Your choice.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Sep 14 17:43:07 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 15:23:06 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d So very few people support the Kingston museum that they really had little choice in the matter. Especially after Sandy did as much damage up there as it did in the city, with no wallets opened up to help. :(
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Sep 14 17:45:35 2014, in response to R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Disgusting.
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Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos
Posted by AlM* on Sun Sep 14 17:50:30 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 17:45:35 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why, if it's done with the permission of the owner?
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Posted by Ray Jules* on Sun Sep 14 18:32:43 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 17:45:35 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If you don't want them to raise money this way, donate to the museum so they don't have to. Your choice.
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Posted by Neil Feldman* on Sun Sep 14 21:18:59 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by BMRR on Sun Sep 14 15:46:21 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d As per the main person who is leading this restorative effort, money is needed to fully restore this car, and to make it come back to NYC to be another operating R16! Once would of been 6397, but a major failure in the power system gave 6398 the chance! Trust me, this is not anything without clear wrap, or else major clean up would of had to of taken place!
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986* on Mon Sep 15 02:43:03 2014, in response to R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The way I see it, grafitti is a part of 6398's (and many of the other preserved railcars') history. Of course, it is a period of time many people, especially those in the transit community would prefer to forget, but it did happen. The way I see it, one could even say these tags make up a paint scheme that the car did wear at some point. She did look similar to this I would imagine when she was saved back in '87. While I personally would most likely be opposed to tagging 6398, I do feel that, if it is for the sake of getting the funds to help restore her to her best, then by all means (money has to come from somewhere right?). Getting funds and the manpower is hard as it is in this hobby / community, as I've come to learn over time. That said, I really do appreciate the work and efforts by everyone who has been involved in 6398's story. Her story continues; this is a part of that story and it is up to us - those who will be volunteering very soon and those who continue to do so - to keep that story going.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Mon Sep 15 03:12:09 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 15:23:06 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Iawtlp
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Mon Sep 15 03:13:59 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 17:45:35 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Iawtlp
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Sep 15 16:17:52 2014, in response to R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Vandal scummage at it's best!!! >:-P >:-(
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Posted by Evan* on Sat Sep 20 18:46:48 2014, in response to R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d After the burning:
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Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos
Posted by Joe V* on Sat Sep 20 19:36:11 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Evan on Sat Sep 20 18:46:48 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It seems to have pre-Chrystie rollsigns. Were they transplanted from another car ?
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat Sep 20 23:50:40 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Evan on Sat Sep 20 18:46:48 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That actually looks pretty nice for what it is. :)
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Posted by BLE-NIMX* on Sun Sep 21 10:37:48 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 23:50:40 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The monies raised will go to hire its cleanup which should be done before Winter. Its just another lesson in why museums need funds and volunteers and not just photographers to visit
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Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos
Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Sep 21 11:31:27 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 21 10:37:48 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Let me get this straight: they got money from a group of people allowing them to tag a car. Truth, this is how it went down. Now monies raised to clean it? I think volunteers will paint it properly. Hopefully it will no longer be desecrated and the museum can raise funds in the furure without the need to tag cars in the future or at least 6398.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Sep 21 11:48:52 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 21 10:37:48 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Absolutely ... it's looking like I'm one of the few that understand. I keep hoping for some time off to get down there and meet you and Evan in the flesh. I'm hoping for next month before the snow flies.
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Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos
Posted by Dan Lawrence* on Tue Oct 7 13:49:23 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Sep 14 15:07:53 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Absolutely true!!!!!
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Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos
Posted by Ray Jules* on Tue Oct 7 13:55:05 2014, in response to Re: R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Oct 7 13:49:23 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Then donate to the TMNY so they do not have to resort to having the car graffittied to raise money to repaint the car.
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel* on Tue Oct 7 14:20:21 2014, in response to R-16 car #6398 getting tagged again, photos, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Sep 14 15:04:09 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d “Nowhere else is there a museum that houses an authentic New York City subway car" I can think of at least ten. Thirteen if you count el cars.
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