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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 12:14:35 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Sep 15 10:08:04 2014. BBS' popped up in the late 70's actually but there were very few of them. We lit one up in 1985 that stayed up until 1997 when the number of calls it got daily just wasn't worth the phone bill anymore.Hey ... where's my hoverboard? :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 15 15:01:29 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 01:29:20 2014. Thanks for the support and cool story! My cousin originally heard it on WQAM in Miami back in '66, and same thing - 'what did that song say?' and he never heard it again......I had a massive collection until last fall - fell on hard times - rent due and car repairs and had to sell it. 300+ rock / blues LPs late 60s early 70s. somewhere around 700+ or so jazz LPs and a bunch of those limited edition Mosaic jazz box sets - these latter are simply somethin' else. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 15 15:04:13 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Sep 15 07:55:07 2014. Thanks for the info!I'm sure I must have read that somewhere, but completely and absolutely forgotten it. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Sep 15 15:47:44 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:57:08 2014. True. And Metrorail is 100% outdoors (mostly elevated, with a few segments on the surface).And the cars have been through a few hurricanes (Andrew*, Katrina, Wilma, etc.) *-except for cars 126/7 and 141/2, who were in L. A. helping with testing on the Metro Red Line. Then-SCRTD was short a few of their Breda cars due to a problem (strike?) at one of their main subcontractors. The Miami cars did not ever operate in revenue service in L. A. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 17:22:49 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 15 15:01:29 2014. Yep ... that's around the same vintage as what I had, about 2200 total. Some guy from Brooklyn came up and took them all. No room for them where we moved to. :( |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 15 18:37:52 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Sep 14 14:11:02 2014. They join the Gibbs Hi-Vs and BMT standards for this achievement, subway car-wise. OK, someone was bound to chime in about the Qs. I'm willing to give them credit, too. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 16 06:38:07 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Sep 15 09:43:37 2014. Don't forget the green backlit side destination signs. I still vivdly remember those 57th St. signs backlit in green on that first Norton train I rode on back in July of 1965. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 06:45:04 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 16 06:38:07 2014. Feh ... fooking IRT had that too. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 16 07:19:31 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 06:45:04 2014. I was later told - when I first saw it, it didn't register at the time, when the R-40s came into service, since their side destination signs weren't lit, the white backlit side destination signs showing the terminal were removed from the R1-9s.Done for some kind of standardized parity (those aren't the words I wanna use, but I can't think of the right one - happens after a bunch of decades) maybe? Kind of a stupid thing to do though. Take an innovation from the 1920s, (the D-Types) and remove it. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Sep 16 07:57:24 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by P.Opus on Sun Sep 14 11:53:02 2014. Excellent! |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Sep 16 07:58:30 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 13:28:35 2014. Exactly. Freaking GOH.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 15:49:56 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 16 07:19:31 2014. The green fluorescent lamps got discontinued by GE and what remained got very expensive. The white replacements really didn't look so great and besides ... bulbs cost money. :) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 16:04:34 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 15:49:56 2014. It was a maintenence issue too. How many times we saw both signs in the same box lit up and the other box with the wrong one lit up? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 16:25:58 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 16:04:34 2014. Yeah, stepper relays that miss a step could do wild and interesting things. :)I was master of the changeover switch as well as having to reach in and do the reverser switch here and there. I know YOU remember that stuff, but for those who have no idea of what I'm talking about, since the tubes ran on DC, they wanted you to flip a voltage reverser for them every now and then so that one end of the tube didn't get blacker than the other end. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 16:37:17 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 16:25:58 2014. Yup, did that all the time, even while riding on my own time. The blue used to annoy me. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 16:44:36 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 16:37:17 2014. Yep ... same here. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 16 17:28:35 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 16:25:58 2014. That's one of the reasons why the 1962 built Cambridge/Dorchester Boston cars were ordered with PCC type incandescent light fixtures. According to an MTA rep, the agency felt that there was no satisfactory polarity reversing apparatus suitable for on board fluorescent lights at the time so incandescent lighting was specified instead. Actually, the polarity reverser on the NYCTS SMEEs was on a timer that was supposed to reverse every half hour. If it failed to reverse and the tubes got dark at one end, we were supposed to reverse the polarity manually. By the time of the R-42s it seems that some sort of DC to ASC transformer had been developed so those cars no longer had a manual polarity reverser. Even that didn't work so well.As for GE no longer manufacturing green fluorescent tubes, They weren't the only game in town and I'm sure wither WH or Sylvania would have been only too glad to satisfy the market. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 17:43:50 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 16 17:28:35 2014. The thing that always amused me about fluorescents is that if you kicked up the voltage enough, you didn't need filaments on either end and a simple buzzer-like inverter could have provided AC to them even off a DC circuit. That's how the battery-powered camping versions worked.But I remember CI's saying that the green ones were getting priced over the moon back in the 70's because they were a "specialty item" ... they apparently went the way of green phosphor "P1" picture tubes. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 16 17:45:34 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by renee gil on Tue Sep 16 07:58:30 2014. Part of the reason for the ruining of the fronts of the R-32s and to a lesser extent the 38s is the MTA's decision to eliminate the use of marker lights. At one time, marker lights served a useful function that informed Tw/Os of the routes the trains were to take and in many instances, they also served to alert passengers of the trains' destinations. As many towers along the system were replaced my master towers where Tw/Os could no longer see the trains and T/Os punched route request and train ID buttons to alert the towers, the necessity for marker lights diminished. The handwriting was on the wall back in 1967 with the R-40s which were the first NYCTS cars not to have marker lights as part of the standard equipment. AFAIK the only transit systems that still used marker lights are Philadelphia and Chicago where Tw/Os still rely on markers for routing trains. I understand that many of NYCTA's master towers have had closed circuit TV cameras installed at many interlocking signals since it seems that the distance between train ID punches and the signals themselves are so great that Tw/Os now have to revert to being able to see the actual trains in order to reliable line them up. That being the case. maybe it's time to reinvent the use of marker lights since it seems that modern technology is not working the way it's supposed to. While we're at it why is the NYCTA one of the only major transit systems that doesn't display the destination on the front of the trains? With the development of LED technology, there is no reason why both a route and destination sign can't be installed on the fronts of the NTTs and even with the proper route color like the CTA 5000s!. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 16 17:47:52 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 17:43:50 2014. They could have purchased white ones with an after market green plastic sleeve to fit over the tube to provide the color. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 17:49:19 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 16 17:47:52 2014. "Some assembly required." :)Yeah, but then again you were around in those days. They couldn't afford to keep the lights on anyway. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 17:58:26 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 16 17:45:34 2014. Well in fairness, the 40's were the beginning of HUGE colored route signs on the offside that could be seen much farther down the rails than the little marker lights which, had they kept the bay windows in operation, would have allowed lineups to be handed out even sooner for trains headed that way.What I don't get though is why they never bothered with simple train transponders to identify trains as they passed receivers on the wayside that would positively identify which train is where. And if MTA has so little faith in the intelligence of their operators, tie it to the route signs ... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 16 19:20:00 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 16:04:34 2014. I remember seeing that. Even might have seen it on the old timers, too. Once I a great while I'll light up both signs at once on my IND sign box. |
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