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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Sep 14 08:46:29 2014 Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First RunsThe R-32 A "Brightliners" began passenger service today on the "Q" Broadway - Brighton Express. (aka BMT # 1 Brighton Express.) The first train ran from Brighton Beach to 57 Street - 7 Avenue with cars (n) 3359-8, 3371-0, 3362-3 and 3364-5. Source Mr Arthur Lonto / NYD Bulletin October 1964 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 14 08:52:27 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Sep 14 08:46:29 2014. They sure didn't waste any time, did they?:) |
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Posted by P.Opus on Sun Sep 14 11:53:02 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Sep 14 08:46:29 2014. Joel Shanus photo
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 14 12:28:10 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by P.Opus on Sun Sep 14 11:53:02 2014. Happy 50th Anniversary to the R-32's...Amazing!In my all years in this NYC subway hobby, I never thought they would last that long and at half-a-century too. -William A. Padron ["3354"] |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Sep 14 13:17:30 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by P.Opus on Sun Sep 14 11:53:02 2014. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this picture.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 13:28:35 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by P.Opus on Sun Sep 14 11:53:02 2014. What a photo of the R32, they way they're supposed to look. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 13:39:46 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Sep 14 08:46:29 2014. LBJ was in the White House...cars with tail fins were all over the place...the World's Fair was the big noise in NYC (along with four guitarists from Liverpool, England), Jim Crow was the law of the South, Ma Bell still owned every telephone in the country, and I was just a few weeks old.Cable TV, the Internet (and all the changes it wrought in our world), cell phones, and laptops were the stuff of science fiction in those days...the long career of the R-32 class tells us just how far we've come in fifty years! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 13:42:28 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 13:39:46 2014. And the monorail was running adjacent to the LIE implying the end of subways as we knew it.We all know how that's turned out in these parts. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 13:44:22 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 13:42:28 2014. Yup yup! |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 14 13:48:52 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 14 12:28:10 2014. And at the northern end of that R-32 train on that first day of passenger service...R-32 #3359, Brighton Beach, BMT Brighton Line ("Q" Route), 9/14/1964. -William A. Padron ["57th Street"] |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 14 13:55:32 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by P.Opus on Sun Sep 14 11:53:02 2014. YES!!! |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Sep 14 14:11:02 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Sep 14 08:46:29 2014. 3370-71 are still running, giving them an official 50 years in service.wayne |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 14 14:33:06 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 13:39:46 2014. Actually, in 1964 I don't think the internet was even science fiction yet.Myrtle el was still running though. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Sep 14 14:49:26 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by chud1 on Sun Sep 14 13:17:30 2014. Sorta of makes ya wish they had doubled the Brightliners order! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Sep 14 14:56:21 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 13:28:35 2014. I did not live in NY for many years. Came back once, and saw the re-vamped front end of the R-32s, with those tiny little (LED or was it something else?) square spaces on top, with those tiny little letterrs for the route inside - my first reaction was, 'this new design is utter crap. you can't see the damn route letters from ten feet away, much less when they are down the track & entering the station.Who was responsible for that "re-vamping" more like butchering of the R-32s' front end? Genius at work..... utter genius..... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 15:20:45 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Express Rider on Sun Sep 14 14:56:21 2014. Descimation of the R32 face. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 14 15:27:22 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 13:39:46 2014. Actually, the Civil Rights Act had gone into effect three months earlier, so Jim Crow was NOT the law any more, but its influence lingered. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Sep 14 15:31:45 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 14 15:27:22 2014. And since we're getting into non-rail detail, tail fins left with the 1960 models and, monolith as it was, Ma Bell did not own nearly all the phones in the country. There were numerous private companies of various sizes (mostly small).But yeah, times have changed and unhappily, so did the face of the R-32s. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Sep 14 15:59:42 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Sep 14 15:31:45 2014. here were numerous private companies of various sizes (mostly small).To get picky, General Telephone was NOT small - it was the designated monopoly in the LA metro area, for instance, and was the partner of Bell Atlantic in the merger that created Verizon as a nationwide entity. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 14 16:44:56 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Express Rider on Sun Sep 14 14:56:21 2014. Supposedly, the air conditioning units could not be installed without impinging on the existing end sign assemblies and since the TA was doing away with the use of marker lights anyhow, it was decided to eliminate both the end sign boxes and marker lights and replace them with the flip dot route signs. This despite the fact that the smaller IRT cars were able to have A/C installed without ruining the end sign assemblies. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:24:16 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 13:42:28 2014. I'm STILL waiting for my damned flying car! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:25:13 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 14 14:33:06 2014. Actually, it existed. But only the big three television networks and the department of defense could afford to use it. "Coaxial cable!" :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:26:31 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Sep 14 15:59:42 2014. Yeah, but YOU live in the former "Sylvan Lake Crankaphone" territory. Now THEM was small. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Sep 14 18:26:37 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 14 16:44:56 2014. I began reading your post and thought wait a minute the IRT cars had AC installed and kept their original end signs. Then I read to the end where you had observed the same thing.Are there any old time shop vets (CI or 207), who could give the lowdown on whether the installation of AC on the R32's would have interferred (sp?) with the sign assemblies? Thanks. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Sep 14 18:45:14 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:24:16 2014. drive off a cliff. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Sep 14 18:49:31 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Sep 14 15:31:45 2014. And Clapton was still with the Yardbirds. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Sep 14 20:24:33 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:26:31 2014. Actually....we had GT - and they then dumped it when the feds made them to, and we now have Frontier - yecch, but might be switching to TW Cable for the house phon. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Sep 14 20:40:09 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 13:39:46 2014. By Fall 64, a lot of parents decided those four mop tops were really not so much of a threat - that Paul guy was so gosh darn cute, and Gringo, Wingo, whatever his name was was just goofy. The REAL threat came from that dirty band from London with the lead singer who had real big lips - whatever happened to THEM, huh? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 14 20:51:51 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 13:28:35 2014. That's how I will always remember them. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 14 20:53:12 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 13:39:46 2014. I was two months shy of my eighth birthday that fall. In fact, the day they made that splash at GCT was my first day of school in second grade. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:13:45 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Sep 14 18:45:14 2014. Nah ... that's the Ford Lemming. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:14:38 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Sep 14 20:24:33 2014. Told ya ... what is NOW Frontier was once Sylvan Lake Crankaphone. Some things never improve. :) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Sep 14 23:16:11 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:24:16 2014. Yeah, they were supposed to be around by next year, WTF?!? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Sep 14 23:21:26 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Sep 14 14:11:02 2014. Amazing, a tribute to the Budd Company :)Meanwhile, the R-32s may well outlive their 20-year younger cousins in Miami, because the banana republic agency that runs them can't maintain them properly >:(  |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:52:31 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Sep 14 20:40:09 2014. Steel Wheelchairs tour. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:55:58 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Sep 14 23:16:11 2014. Ah ... they got recalled on the loading dock! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:57:08 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Sep 14 23:21:26 2014. Wellll ... up north, the tropical humidity does go away for a few months. That's gotta help. :P |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Sep 15 00:27:07 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:52:31 2014. very nice Unca Kev. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 15 01:02:49 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:52:31 2014. great one!! Love it!!The Pretty Things were way dirtier than the Stones (listen to their song "Don't Bring Me Down - NOT the Animals version) nobody really ever heard of them over here in '64.... Though you could have bought the single/album as an import downtown, and brought it home riding a brand new R-32.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 01:10:04 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 15 01:02:49 2014. Heh. I actually played that on the radio overnight many, many years ago. Can't remember the guy's name who wrote it, but he was a roadie for a group called "The Fairies."FOUND IT! :) It was Johnnie Dee! And HERE'S the tune! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 15 01:22:05 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 01:10:04 2014. Oh cool! Thank you!I had it once on a Sire double LP anthology - late 70s but sold it. I apologize to rest of board for going awf-topic...... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 01:29:20 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 15 01:22:05 2014. With some of the topics sometimes, it's good to go a little off here and there and since it's way down the subthread, hopefully nobody will mind. After all, it ain't politics until someone else spins it that way. Besides ... didn't we take the train to get there to those funky Euro-import shops anyway? They weren't in the outer boroughs. :)When we owned a house (before we sold it) I had the entire collection of a now defunct radio station, and that was still in the collection. Only reason why I knew about the roadie who wrote it was because he was a guest on a fellow DJ's show once at WNEW-FM and told us the story and handed me a copy of the original platter still in shrink wrap. Didn't get to open it an play it until I was at another station because NEW-FM refused to let us play it on air. :) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Sep 15 07:48:54 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Sep 14 08:46:29 2014. Thank you. So that's it- the car class is now officially 50 years old. Way to go!! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Sep 15 07:52:00 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 13:39:46 2014. An illustrious career indeed! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Sep 15 07:54:05 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 14 15:27:22 2014. Someone I know who lived in the South for many years told me that many small businesses enforced segregation well into the 1970s... its illegality notwithstanding. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Sep 15 07:55:07 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 15 01:02:49 2014. of course, Pretty Things were started by the original- pre '63 Stones bass player, Dick (not Mick) Taylor....the whole London scene in those early days was very small. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Sep 15 08:04:52 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:14:38 2014. I'm an old enough fart now to remember when to dial anywhere outside of Orange County Telephone territory, you had to dial - and I mean DIAL, 1-2-3 first. And that includes GOSHEN, which is 5 miles away, but was a different company.Never had to crank the phone and ask Sadie though..... Now, my phone sits in my pocket (Galaxy S3), can access the Internet with a high speed 4G LTE connection just about anywhere, and I get cranky when it doesn't work! Spoiled, are we not? |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Sep 15 09:43:37 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 14 13:28:35 2014. Yep, blue doors, blue pantograph gates, front service and destination signs, they were so beautiful. Even today, the sides still glisten in response to any light sourcs. Aptly named the Brightliner with pun for introduction on the Q Brighton Express intended. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Sep 15 10:08:04 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 23:55:58 2014. 25 years later, Back to the Future 2 is amusing in all the things they predicted for the year 2015, a few which came to pass, and they missed the biggest one, the Internet! Personal computers were somewhat commonplace in 1989, and wasn't there at least the beginning of some computer networking, i.e. BBS? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 12:07:13 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - September 14, 1964 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Sep 15 08:04:52 2014. Heh. Just being able to leave the house and still use a phone ... :)The "crankaphone" thing though was an apt descriptor for Sylvan Lake (forget the name they did before they became Frontier) who was always decades behind everybody else. But across the river *in* Sylvan Lake, they actually did still use a switchboard. |
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