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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014 I saw this posted on another forum and decided to cross post it here. Fucking bullshit.http://patchstats.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-cost-benefit-analysis-of-fighting.html?m=1>/a> |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 25 07:53:11 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. I agree that it's BS. Even the automated announcements on NTT's announce that "the next stop… will be Brooklyn Bridge… on the uptown platform."I saw many, people riding the 6 through the loop as recently as this past Monday. Nobody was there to ticket them! |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Fri Jul 25 09:30:22 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. What would the charge be? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Jul 25 12:44:47 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Railbus63 on Fri Jul 25 09:30:22 2014. Looping :) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 25 13:52:17 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. Someone want to dig up the bulletin that says this is expressly legal and it send it to him? |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Jul 25 14:11:32 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. That's not going to stop me from taking my 6 y/o daughter around the loop - - and I will record video with the "Brooklyn Bridge on the Uptown platform" automated announcement. I am going to take her one day. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 26 11:32:20 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. Yeah, the post is no doubt BS |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 26 11:38:13 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. The sad truth about our society today: being right is only a small part of the equation. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 26 13:24:49 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. The blog post fails to mention that you can recoup the money you "lost" by spending time fighting the ticket by suing for wrongful detention, malicious prosecution, or whatever applies to the circumstances.When I got a ticket for "violating" 1050.9(c) by taking photos in the subway without a permit, I had to spend a few hours fighting the ticket but I won a settlement big enough to pay for those hours. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 26 15:37:37 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 26 13:24:49 2014. That's what needs ti be done in order to impress on the powers that be that they must not overstep their authority. The only problem is that in most cases the individuals responsible are not the ones who have to pay and it is ultimately the taxpayers who have to ante up. I once had a problem with the NYPD and when I mentioned a lawsuit, the officer in question said "Go ahead, the city's got a lot of money." If the miscreant officers had the settlement money deducted from their pay, they wouldn't be so quick to make up their own laws. |
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Posted by TheHat on Sun Jul 27 10:36:46 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 26 15:37:37 2014. Fight ticket and then CCRB the officer. CCRB may recomend discipline and cost the PO a few vacation days. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 07:36:46 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 26 11:38:13 2014. Yep. For proff of that, just look at what goes on at SubChat.com. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 28 20:32:34 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Jul 25 14:11:32 2014. I've ridden around the loop twice, both times in the last car during rush hours. No one hassled me. |
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Posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 28 21:09:05 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. Both times I tried to ride the loop, I was kicked off the train. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 21:12:42 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 28 21:09:05 2014. Was that before or after it became widely acknowledged as "permitted"? |
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Posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 28 22:13:19 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 21:12:42 2014. Both times were after it was publicly stated by the MTA that it was allowed.. the first time I was in the first car (bad move I know) and probably got spotted by the tower or something, the second time the train operator actually walked though the train to make sure nobody stayed on (I was in the 3rd car) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 22:40:12 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 28 22:13:19 2014. That's terrible. You need to try harder. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jul 28 23:58:31 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Jul 25 14:11:32 2014. If you're lucky and the Conductor doesn't cut the announcement off or override it. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Jul 29 00:38:39 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 28 22:13:19 2014. Out of curiosity, what time of day? I can't imagine the T/O walking the train during a rush hour. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 08:48:53 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 28 22:13:19 2014. What do they say when you tell them that it is allowed? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 09:05:04 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 28 20:32:34 2014. I've done so many times, even with friends on occasion. There have been times when the City Hall Loop have been considered main line track and times when it's been considered the same as relay or yard track. There are times when the train I've been on has sat on the loop for several minutes before entering the station again. Of course, while a conductor may allow you to do things aboard the train does not necessarily mean that the police will see it the same way. Having the NYCT ID card in your wallet does also make a difference. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 09:21:51 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 08:48:53 2014. Typically either "no it's not" or "I don't care." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 09:25:20 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 09:05:04 2014. If the police hassle you now that it's a permitted activity per NYCT, then hopefully you'll be in for a big payday from the City of New York. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 09:34:41 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 09:25:20 2014. I've only been "hassled" twice, once by AMTRAK police and once by Norfolk Southern Police. In both cases, I was simply asked not to trespass on railroad property.As to whether riding the city hall loop is a permitted activity goes back to whether the track is considered main line or yard track. There have been bulletins issued periodically over the years either permitting passengers to ride the loop or at other times, not permitting the same activity. The average person would certainly not be aware of the bulletins so I suspect that the prudent thing to do is be guided by the conductor's announcements. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:02:51 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 09:34:41 2014. You may not be up on the latest developments. As I said, it is now (and has been for a while) an expressly permitted activity per NYCT. So there should be no police harassment. If there is, then hopefully you'd be looking at a big payday from the City of New York. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 10:39:03 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:02:51 2014. Actually, I am certainly well aware of the "latest" developments. That does not change my comment that customers wishing to ride around the loop should still be guided by the announcements by the conductor since current bulletins do not supersede immediate circumstance. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 10:49:33 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. Whenever I am in New York, I always make it a point the ride around and view City Hall. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 10:50:16 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 26 13:24:49 2014. For once I agree with you. Good job. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 14:26:18 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 10:39:03 2014. Obviously! Without any other qualifiers presented, we were talking about normal, every day conditions where it is 100% ok to ride around the loop. The only mention was of police harassment, not of anything to do with NYCT. And if NYCT (i.e. the conductor) felt it necessary to not allow riders around the loop for some presumably legitimate reason, then the police enforcing that rare, specific occurrence would and could not be considered "harassment". And the whole point of my comment was about actual police harassment. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Jul 29 16:05:27 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:02:51 2014. So there should be no police harassment.The question is whether there's any way of suing individual police officers for ultra vires actions. If there is, they'll soon stop it, once they hear what's happened to their |
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Posted by train dude on Tue Jul 29 16:32:24 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 14:26:18 2014. Sorry because I've never experienced any |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 29 20:18:18 2014, in response to Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 25 07:44:22 2014. He should take this to an elected official. You should not be ticketed for doing something that is not illegal. Who ticketed him and what was the infraction he committed? Not following instructions of train crew? |
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Posted by error46146 on Tue Jul 29 22:44:56 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by K. Trout on Tue Jul 29 00:38:39 2014. Yeah not rush hour.. Both times I tried on the weekend, when they had time to sit at the terminal before going through the loop.There's railfan window footage of the first R62A 6 train going through the loop.. a whole mob of people were allowed to stay on and ride through the loop |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:41:38 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by error46146 on Tue Jul 29 22:44:56 2014. Why do people need to be allowed to stay on if it is already allowed? |
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Posted by b1bus on Sun Aug 3 18:49:34 2014, in response to Re: Man Gets Ticket for Riding (6) Train Around the Loop - Blogs About Economics of Fighting It, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 09:21:51 2014. Pretend you fell asleep. |
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