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Posted by Karl B on Mon Jul 28 20:49:08 2014 Back in the mid 1960's the D & H RR bought 4 used PA-1's from the ATSF to use on their run from Albany to Montreal.In less than two weeks the D & H personnel at Colonie Shops refurbished, repainted and relettered ATSF 59, 60, 62, & 66 into D & H 16, 17, 18, & 19. They were put in service on the Laurentian. The new paint scheme was almost as attractive as the original ATSF warbonnet. To D & H fans the new scheme was probably more attractive. A fifth unit was purchased as a parts source to keep the other four running. It was supposed to be a NH engine. Is there any chance that anyone might know the number on that NH engine? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 28 23:38:52 2014, in response to ALCO PA-1, posted by Karl B on Mon Jul 28 20:49:08 2014. Went looking, turned up nothing other than Alco #18 doing what Alcos always did best. :) And no, it's not on fire, it's just running. Heh. |
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Posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 29 04:33:40 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 28 23:38:52 2014. Even on a steam engine it's hard to make that much smoke!Back to the original question, the D&H's Historical Society says NH 0783 was the parts engine. Bill |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 04:44:21 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 29 04:33:40 2014. Ah cool! Karl will be happy. And as to Alco, well ... live near Schenectady and so there's plenty of retired folks around here who once worked for Alco. They love to tell stories about how fast piston rings failed in their diesels - Alco made fabulous steamers but never quite got diesels down. :) |
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Posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 29 05:05:04 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 04:44:21 2014. Try this, what should be on NYMT's 244 cutaway engine but Alco's ill fated air cooled turbo charger (Fall 2010 "Headend" newsletter).Bill |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 29 09:57:02 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 29 04:33:40 2014. 
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 29 09:59:42 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 29 04:33:40 2014. In case you didn't know, in 1967 the new president of the D&H was Frederic "Buck" Dumaine, formerly president of the New Haven. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:11:25 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 29 09:57:02 2014. Awesome. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 29 10:41:53 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 29 09:57:02 2014. Cool.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Karl B on Tue Jul 29 10:42:29 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 28 23:38:52 2014. They sure did smoke a lot, didn't they! |
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Posted by Karl B on Tue Jul 29 10:43:47 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 29 04:33:40 2014. Thank you for solving the mystery! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 16:03:00 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 29 05:05:04 2014. As I've learned over the years, Alco sure knew how to build steamers and their steel stayed together. But their motors? Sheesh. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 16:04:50 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by Karl B on Tue Jul 29 10:42:29 2014. Only when they were waiting for a ring job. And thus was created, the smoking car. :) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 29 16:27:29 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 28 23:38:52 2014. another way to look at it is that the early GE u boats and predecessor "Black Maria" test beds were mostly the same GE parts as in the Alcos (they originally co-marketed) but with a very different Cooper Bessemer diesel. In the decade after the u boats arrived, Alco's entire market share went to GE (EMD held steady circa 89%). Entertaining factoid, there are a few hundred old EMDs running around on rebuilt 567s and 645s which can be renewed almost indefinitely it seems. Rebuilt GEs? very few, when done they get scrapped. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 16:42:12 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 29 16:27:29 2014. Funny you should bring up GE ... the tradition continues! :)
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Tue Jul 29 18:33:46 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 28 23:38:52 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 29 18:43:45 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 16:42:12 2014. Holy Smoke SelkirkTMO.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 23:39:25 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 29 18:43:45 2014. Yep ... they'd make folks riot down in the city but up here, we at least have plenty of spare oxygen so we're OK. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 23:41:20 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Tue Jul 29 18:33:46 2014. That's what always amused me about railroads. If they junker moves at all, no problem. :) |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Jul 30 06:08:08 2014, in response to Re: ALCO PA-1, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 23:39:25 2014. Excellent :)....chud1. |
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