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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 25 16:39:36 2014, in response to R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 16:38:30 2014. The R42's get another stay of execution, Problem is they may die in custody before they can be liberated from their current miserable existence. |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Jul 25 17:00:21 2014, in response to R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 16:38:30 2014. I thought the purpose behind the test train was so they would have 6 or 7 seven months of actual service to find and correct any issues before production delivery began. Wouldn't this delay the entire schedule? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 17:09:21 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by VictorM on Fri Jul 25 17:00:21 2014. It may delay the schedule if BOMBardier has a correct action plan to fix it and get it on time. |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Fri Jul 25 17:36:20 2014, in response to R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 16:38:30 2014. Just wondering where's the info coming from? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jul 25 18:28:08 2014, in response to R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 16:38:30 2014. This new concept of, what's it called, "welding" sounds very experimental. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 25 19:46:43 2014, in response to R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 16:38:30 2014. So we can look forward to another summer of fun with R32's on the Eastern Division. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 25 19:55:12 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 17:09:21 2014. It's a glorfied R160. What's their excuse ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 25 20:35:58 2014, in response to R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 16:38:30 2014. LOL. Recent history shows that most new rail cars have issues and are delayed.Even though thesevare supposed to be similar to the 160 I'm still not suprised. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 25 21:29:59 2014, in response to R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 16:38:30 2014. come on..this is an "R160" SUBWAY CAR in a new dress.how difficult can it be for a company that makes BULLET TRAINS? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 25 21:37:17 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 25 21:29:59 2014. It is what it is. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 25 21:40:49 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 25 19:55:12 2014. This is the first type of this car built by Bombardier. All R143/160's were built by KHI and Alstom. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 25 22:06:18 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 25 21:40:49 2014. so?they built Boston's new RED LINE cars..the R110B..And the M7's. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 25 22:56:40 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 25 21:29:59 2014. Bombardier managed to screw up their high speed cars too ;) |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Fri Jul 25 23:19:19 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 25 22:56:40 2014. What do you expect from a snowmobile company? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 26 02:17:22 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 25 22:06:18 2014. And the R-142s! |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jul 26 05:16:37 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 25 21:29:59 2014. The part of the company that makes "nice stuff" (including the ALP-46) is European and basically managed by Germans. The part that makes rolling stock for the US is based here and in Canada...FWIW, BBD and it's former companies have been a part of consortiums to build high speed railway sets, but they've never built one on their own... |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Jul 26 05:35:52 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 26 02:17:22 2014. Don't forget the R62As! |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Jul 26 05:50:29 2014, in response to R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 16:38:30 2014. Didn't the Car Equipment Dept insist these cars be built as 60 foot long R160 clones back in 2009 or so because they absolutely had to have them on property as quickly as possible and a 75' design would take too long? Seems to me that by now they could have designed several different 75 foot cars. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 26 05:54:50 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Jul 26 05:35:52 2014. and the R188s |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 26 07:27:37 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 25 22:06:18 2014. And the MLV's, which NJT, AMT, and MARC seem to be very happy with. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 26 07:30:10 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by nasadowsk on Fri Jul 25 23:19:19 2014. Their rail equipment may be overweight, but they seem to have solid bodies.I just don't get it. I assumed their bodies start off in northern Quebec, then are assembled in Plattsburgh ? Unless they are knock-offs from their ex- UTDC plant in Thunder Bay. Toronto subway cars don't seem to last very long. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 26 07:32:03 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Ray Jules on Fri Jul 25 17:36:20 2014. some foamer fantasy, a hot link would be nice |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Jul 26 08:12:11 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by nasadowsk on Fri Jul 25 23:19:19 2014.  Touche' bro ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 26 09:12:09 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 26 05:54:50 2014. No, that's KHI. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 26 11:12:11 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 26 09:12:09 2014. i stand corrected |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 26 12:27:15 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 26 07:30:10 2014. They installed a new stamping machine at Plattsburgh so nearly all the work is done there. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Jul 26 12:34:55 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 26 07:30:10 2014. I believe they are producing the bodies in the USA for the first time. The R-179 contract will be lighter then the R-160s. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 26 12:59:12 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Ray Jules on Fri Jul 25 17:36:20 2014. From the MTA's Capital Program Oversight Committee report, starting about page 30. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 26 13:26:16 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by WillD on Sat Jul 26 05:50:29 2014. The situation in the Car Equipment Dept was somewhat chaotic in 2009-11. The MTA had hired a man from Toronto to head the Dept and he recommended Bombardier, but he quit after only a few months (he claimed his wife was homesick for Toronto) and promptly got a job with Bombardier. Kawasaki claimed conflict of interest and the contract was tied up in the courts for a long time before Bombardier was finally awarded the contract in June 2012. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 26 13:34:30 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 26 13:26:16 2014.  Amirite? |
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Posted by Jace on Sat Jul 26 18:11:23 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by WillD on Sat Jul 26 05:50:29 2014. The spec allows for both an R160 and a different design. I believe the thinking was that they'd get a better price this way. So yes, they would have been clones had Kawasaki/Alstom won the job, and the cars would probably be in service by now. They didn't win so quite a few changes - most of the components are a different design from different suppliers. Carshell and trucks are new too though naturally based on the R142. I think they'd probably be in the same boat now had the gone with a 75 footer.Good price, crapola delivery... |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Jul 26 18:22:13 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 26 13:26:16 2014. There has been a shortage of top shelf welders in the area for a while. Stainless Steel is somewhat more difficult than regular to work with. CAF has experienced it, so has NovaBus (also in Plattsburgh)As manufacturing jobs were exported, there has been a de-emphasis in training new machinists, welders, and similar skilled trades, thinking everyone would become a(n) (empty) suit. Many of the skilled welders left the Northeast for the boom in the oil fields. The Buy American provisions for certain Federal programs, and the points in NYS Agency procurements given for NY content change the equation, and more car shells are being fabricated here. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 10:47:43 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by WillD on Sat Jul 26 05:50:29 2014. 260 of 300 R179 are to replace R32 and R42, which run mostly at 480' long trains. (Hence the decision to blow away the R44 instead of the remaining R32) |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Sun Jul 27 14:24:03 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 10:47:43 2014. Might it be advantageous to save 80 or so of the best running R32s to allow for more service expansion than afforded by the extra R179s designated for fleet growth? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 27 14:53:39 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Ray Jules on Sun Jul 27 14:24:03 2014. I wouldn't due to the a/c issues.The railfans would appreciate it, but not the average rider who has a negative opinion of the cars due to their advance age. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 15:33:10 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 27 14:53:39 2014. J line assignments seem to have solved the AC issue.Retain 100 and no R42 could mean mostly rush hour assignments and some fleet expansion for L and M trains. Old train is better than NO train. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 27 15:38:46 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 15:33:10 2014. Fine. Just expressing my opinion. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Jul 27 15:50:21 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 15:33:10 2014. I was on a J train Friday, it was a NTT. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 16:00:59 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Jul 27 15:50:21 2014. With 19 or 20 train sets required on weekday rush, J/Z should be about 50-55% R160. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 27 17:12:00 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 15:33:10 2014. Even the 32s on the J have A/C issues on really hot days. |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Sun Jul 27 17:40:49 2014, in response to Re: R-179 car test train delay... Welding issue, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 27 17:12:00 2014. That may be true. However I'd be interested in seeing some statistics that show the effect of temperature on the A/C reliability of the R32s on the J line. |
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