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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:19:00 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Teddmann on Fri Aug 19 07:57:44 2005. The tunnel did extend beyond the wall. That isn't in dispute. But no station or additional tunnelage into Queens exists. |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Fri Aug 19 12:24:25 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 08:56:27 2005. Hello Chris: People on this board (and some, but fewer and fewer, come to this board from outside the usual genre here) for, expecting, valid, useful information, not nonsense. Some of the more responsible individuals on this thread are trying to uncover and learn something factual, rather than fantasy. And some few other responsible and knowledgeable people on this thread have posted substantiative indepth info from "their as stated, legtimate sources" to provide more viable background info. I knew your " 76th ST " photo was a fake from its onset, and I didnt comment on for quite a while. Nor did I at all about the "other" obvious "IRT style" photo because I knew it was too obvious to be an unintentional error. AND I waited and read thru all the thread posts for some time before I finally replied to yours to end that "image" issue with facts...not innuendo. I also knew long before, and from the onset of this thread, that the "Brennan 76th Street Page" was his obvious and intentional "Aprils Fools" Joke from 3 years ago...and said nothing..waiting to see how long some the so called "knowledgeable experts" here could uncover that actual fact (heh) ...instead of rambling on senselessly with nonsense. Your joke, tho amusing, serves as, and I know not intentionally as such, a discredit and waste, disuse of space and time to those many individuals here who seek valid, true and "legitimate" info. As far as "me" taking things seriously, as far as where knowledge, history, technology, industry, the legal and medicine industry, and etc etc., and facts are concened, that is "standard" and code as to what the intelligent and dedicated, conscientious professional people operate under who make things in this world work. And yes, in my professional careers, and as a long time and published Transit Historian, I do take things seriously "when it counts" in, for, fact and accuracy, and will take a stand for the benefit of many serious seekers of knowledge, when a few unintentionally, in error, or intentionally try to as a joke, pass bogus information, images, etc in a forum, or thread issue, seeking validity. Which is WHAT I did here. If I and mostly all of the Historian (and Transit Modeler) types in my circles outside of this Sub Chat forum, had your negative attitude about "serious", the authenticity and factual validity of what we write, publish, or model, would be useless and always suspect. Perhaps that why almost all of them do not share their 30, 40, 50 + years of Transit know here at this Forum. Additionally, for persons coming to this forum to have to wade thru endlesss nonsense and jokes of a, any, thread to find 4 or 5 buried postings that actually contain the truly sought out, valid, substantative info, defeats the purpose of a large forum board of this type, and did for the former Sub Talk Board, which Dave (Mr. Pirrman) shut down for good, after many stated warnings, for that and other endlesss uncivil behaviors by some, most of whom didnt take anything there "seriously" either -- to the loss of many. I rest my case....but you can continue to have fun here...as usual.... To the OTHER Poster....again, one of the "knoweledgeable ones"...so that YOU (and others you "knowledgeably" mis-informed herein) know, there is absolutely NO CORK material of any kind anywhere, in anything, created on my layout, and my streetcar rails that the railcar model seen in MY photo can run on, are made of steel girder rail, not cork, NOR are any of the street surfaces, anywhere, of cork. Just again "being serious" of fact...if you can relate to that. You wouldnt want your doctor, surgeon, attorney, contractor, dentist, and so on, to not take your case, its case file facts, data, and history, as a client, seriously, would you?? I didnt think So. Guys, have a great day ! Regards - Joe |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 12:35:00 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:19:00 2005. The tunnel did extend beyond the wall. That isn't in dispute.Which tunnel and which wall? There are two different tunnels and two different walls being discussed here. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:35:59 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 12:35:00 2005. The wall which currently ends the 4 "thru" tracks under Pitkin Ave. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 12:36:53 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Fri Aug 19 12:24:25 2005. Your joke, tho amusing, serves as, and I know not intentionally as such, a discredit and waste, disuse of space and time to those many individuals here who seek valid, true and "legitimate" info.I disagree. It's cute, and the only person fooled was Richard Rabinowitz. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 12:40:49 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:35:59 2005. The wall which currently ends the 4 "thru" tracks under Pitkin Ave.It's been said that it is a poured concrete wall (as opposed to the cinder block wall on the yard lead) so why is it not in dispute that the tunnel extended beyond this solid and possibly original poured concrete wall? The fact is that we ARE questioning whether the tunnel ever extended beyond the solid wall at the end of the 4 thru tracks. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:44:21 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Teddmann on Fri Aug 19 09:58:59 2005. Nothing. The tracks in question are under the current ones which lead to Grant Ave. and can't be accessed by us geese. Bill Wall should have an R1/9 MOD trip relay down there so we call all see. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 12:46:39 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:44:21 2005. Bill Wall should have an R1/9 MOD trip relay down there so we call all see.Good idea! The turnout would be huge! No shovels allowed! |
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Posted by Teddmann on Fri Aug 19 12:50:35 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:44:21 2005. Bill Wall should have an R1/9 MOD trip relay down there so we call all seeI thought M.O.D. was D.O.A. |
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Posted by Teddmann on Fri Aug 19 12:57:33 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:44:21 2005. The tracks in question are under the current ones which lead to Grant AveHaving only been through there once, and at a time I knew nothing of the legend...you say "under the current ones". Under as in 1 level below? Ok, after taking a closer look here I can see that the tracks diverge, and *are* below the point at which the "A" makes its turn. I understand now...there would be nothing to see there... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:58:46 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Teddmann on Fri Aug 19 12:50:35 2005. No, it's only in a persistant vegetative state. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 12:59:22 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 11:17:55 2005. So you're saying the 4-track main ends in a poured concrete wall but the yard lead ends in a cinder block wall?That *is* what others seem to have posted on this thread. In THIS post he seems to be saying that the wall at the end of the 4 main tracks cinder block. Also here. If it is cinder block at both locations, then it is more likely that there is something beyond there (or was and was filled in). If the walls were original, I think they would have been poured concrete, like all other stubs (correct me if I'm wrong). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 13:00:30 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Teddmann on Fri Aug 19 12:57:33 2005. Yes. The 2 tracks to Grant Ave rise up and cross over the 4 "thru" tracks , like the West End line does south of 36th St. |
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Posted by Teddmann on Fri Aug 19 13:06:35 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:58:46 2005. No, it's only in a persistant vegetative stateYeah...but recent history shows that most never recover from that... |
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Posted by tunnel rat on Fri Aug 19 13:25:32 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 12:59:22 2005. I said the 4 layup tracks end at a concrete wall.the 2 yard leads,with ballast and a few ties still in place end at the cinder block wall.halfway down these tunnels is a homeball facing the cinder block wall.it is still in use,wired into the tower for another purpose read all of my postings carefully as I have been very specific in my details.bill wall is who I rode the r/9s /redbirds with yesterday. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Fri Aug 19 13:29:31 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 20:22:06 2005. You sure it's not the time machine that the teeyay gets its museum trains from? :) |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Fri Aug 19 13:31:40 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 00:36:30 2005. If you wanna keep your train looking good. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Fri Aug 19 13:36:47 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 00:42:24 2005. well, I stand corrected, then. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 19 14:08:03 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Douce Man on Fri Aug 19 10:25:41 2005. Their motors were anything but fragile last October.I also wonder how many cars they will be using on Sunday. BTW what's the latest on 1300? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 19 14:11:03 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Teddmann on Fri Aug 19 13:06:35 2005. I hear they may take it off of life support. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 19 14:13:06 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 20:22:06 2005. Gee, I thought that was the headquarters for cows with guns.:) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 14:25:38 2005, in response to Re: Sewer Lines Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 10:08:29 2005. I thought that was from the Ridgewood one in Highland Park? |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Fri Aug 19 14:29:05 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 07:09:53 2005. 2. Heck, the entire IND is full of boring stations that smack of each other. Add some creativity for once! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 14:32:53 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Fri Aug 19 12:24:25 2005. Joe, You have to know me better than this by now. I am perhaps one of the more serious people on this board. My reputation here has to more than speak for itself. I have been here long enough that most of the more reputible posters know me pretty well. Heck, even you perhaps do too, many years ago on SubTalk we, amongs others were having a blast with some of the mystery photos with grimace, and the others that started with that falsely identified Fresh Pond Incline photo many years ago.I am probably one of the few here that DO NOT post drivel and nonsense, so what you have said couldn't be farther from the truth, so you are definitely talking to the wrong person about posting drivel. I am perhaps one of the few people here that has never even been involved in a flame war of nonsense. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 14:35:03 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Fri Aug 19 14:29:05 2005. Not a reason. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 19 14:35:28 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 18 22:50:01 2005. I can see it now: a BMT standard slams through the wall and just pulverizes it. Meanwhile it suffers no more than a broken light bulb and scrapes and bruises. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 14:36:06 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 14:32:53 2005. Chris, don't let it bother you. I, and I'm sure many others, enjoyed your photoshopped images. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 19 14:39:30 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 11:54:36 2005. I'm surprised the destination curtain was cranked all the way to blank since the R-10s had both Wash. Hts - 168th St. and Coney Island signs. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 14:51:00 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 14:36:06 2005. I can't believe someone would spend so much time analyzing what is wrong with the obviously thrown together mosaic. I have seen some pretty good photoshopped photos, and this one SCREAMS photoshopped at first glance, at least I thought it did. That's part of the joke!And for the record, the: (b) look at the thinner profile of the letter " T " compared to the thicker letter " S " in ST The "thinner" profile is accurate for the mosaic. The "T" is made directly out of "H", and the "S" is the actually S in Shepherd, so talk to the IND masons about the "thinner profile". I still can't believe someone would take that obviously altered photo so seriously to rip it apart like that. And I didn't even use "photoshop", I threw it together in MS Paint. And if I wanted to fool people, I would have done it in photoshop, and spent a lot more time on it. And I don't even know why I am spending so much time on trying to defend myself for this obvious joke. |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Aug 19 15:01:17 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 00:15:05 2005. Right, and if not the NYC DOT, then the NYC DEP would surely know what's under every street in the city. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 15:04:24 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 14:51:00 2005. (c) I would presume there would be the usual period mark " . " after the letter "T" in street, missing here And also for the record, if we "have" to get technical on this, and tear a joke to death; in the IND "New Style" tiles, they no longer used periods in the mosaics, so that is also accurate, had I been trying to make this look authenitc (which was NEVER the intent). Had 76th Street existed it would hot have had a period, as it woulod have been "new style IND tiles". New Style IND tiles:   Old Style IND tiles: 
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Posted by vengence on Fri Aug 19 15:53:47 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Fri Aug 19 12:24:25 2005. Wow...Too much coffee...? Truth be told..Chris is doing what we all do at times,fooling around. No need to bite his head off about 76th st. We REALLY WOULD love to know if the station,or even a shell of one was built. The MTA ain't talking,and as far as we know,they NEVER WILL. Relax fella. It's all in good fun. |
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Posted by vengence on Fri Aug 19 16:02:45 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 14:51:00 2005. yep,thats what I thought...we KNEW IT WAS A JOKE! So whats the beef about? |
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Posted by vengence on Fri Aug 19 16:10:54 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by tunnel rat on Thu Aug 18 17:04:49 2005. Hummm...Now I wonder what it would cost the MTA to continue the line as far as Cross Bay Blvd considering there is NO subway service in that part of the city. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 16:33:14 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 13:00:30 2005.  It looks to the LION... like you should ride the REAR RFW of an Uptown (A) train as it leaves Grant. When it rejoins the MAIN LION, you ought to see east into the tunnels somewhat. And apparently, according to these maps at least, the (C) train does NOT relay into the Pitkin Avenue Main Lion, but rather into the Pitkin Yard leads. So no point in bothering the (CC) motorman. 
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 19 16:34:50 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Aug 18 15:03:18 2005. A tribute to Joe's computer abilities. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 18:11:36 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by vengence on Fri Aug 19 16:10:54 2005. It would basically parallel the existing el on Liberty Ave. However, a better idea would be to keep the line going beyond Cross Bay, under Linden Blvd. There's an area which could use subway service. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Fri Aug 19 19:52:29 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 17 05:36:45 2005. The once actually used 76th Street station |
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Posted by Graham on Fri Aug 19 21:05:03 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 11:05:29 2005. Thanks for the pointer. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 19 21:51:49 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Teddmann on Fri Aug 19 09:58:59 2005. You can sometimes see tail lights of trains layed up on those tracks but that's all. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 19 21:53:13 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 19 10:10:25 2005. Thanks fer the werning |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Aug 19 21:57:58 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 12:46:39 2005. Add a BU to the end so we could walk through and look at the end of the tunnel from the platform |
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Posted by Douce Man on Fri Aug 19 22:30:53 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 12:19:00 2005. In 1936 when the IND station was opened at Rockaway Avenue, How much further did the tunnel go? |
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Posted by vengence on Sat Aug 20 00:24:42 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 11:49:32 2005. Are you taunting yourself,dude?Thats sick..on a pervy level...sick. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 20 02:18:52 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street and other 'mysteries'., posted by Douce Man on Fri Aug 19 10:04:24 2005. IINM, South 4th Street station was to be a station like Hoyt-Schemerhorn. The shell is not a complete sized station. The shell for it was built at Broadway, but the shell is only as long as the Broadway station is wide. |
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Posted by Douce Man on Sat Aug 20 07:38:09 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street and other 'mysteries'., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 20 02:18:52 2005. Just like the upper station at Fulton/Utica. |
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Posted by Douce Man on Sat Aug 20 07:46:08 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 19 07:15:50 2005. Between 137 and 145 |
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Posted by Douce Man on Sat Aug 20 07:48:53 2005, in response to Re: Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 09:02:46 2005. If you don;t get seriousm you end up getting silly. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 20 07:50:36 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)j7, posted by Douce Man on Fri Aug 19 22:30:53 2005. In 1936, I'm not sure how far they were, but by 1942, the tunnel was in fact done to just past Euclid. Again, the reason they only opened up to Rockaway Ave in 1936, less than a 1/2 mile from Broadway Junction was because of wartime restrictions on the use of metal. The tunnel was done, but they couldn't lay the rails or place the signals. They weren't able to prgress further on finishing touches until 1946 when they opened Broadway-East New York. Then, in 1948, they were able to open to Euclid Ave. The passage of time, and changes in the IND plans changed the line from going as a four track line further than Euclid, to the two track line that eventually hit Grant Ave in 1956.I have seen the maps of the second system plans, and not only was the line supposed to go straight in one version of it, it was also supposed to continue at the same time to Grant. The maps of the IND second system that were posted a week ago confirm that at least as some point, the IND planners expected to recapture the Liberty EL, and continue onward towards 76th St and beyond. Of course that neither proves nor disproves the chance that they built a 76th St station by 1942 when the rest of the line's tunnels were built. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 20 11:02:50 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street and other 'mysteries'., posted by Douce Man on Sat Aug 20 07:38:09 2005. The main difference is that the shell at Utica Ave. is plainly visible from the active station while the S. 4th St. sheel at Broadway is not. |
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