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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 23 08:28:17 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 22 21:04:58 2014. Exactly....imagine Jamaica LIRR without a subway connection!! There was none from 1977 to 1988....11 years!!! The very least they should have made Sutphin the temp terminal.....instead quuens blvd at Jamaica ave in the middle of nowhere. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 23 08:31:27 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 22 22:35:45 2014. Of course!!! There was no reason to close the el until the final weeks or even month before Dec 1988. They rebuilt the entire Broadway El without ending service.....Culver was also done immediately. And that with old technology.What about the end of the Fulton el to the pitkin subway? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 23 08:55:52 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 23 07:01:17 2014. Somehow, they thought the area would be improved by making it less accessible...Because everyone would just drive there! :) |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Apr 23 09:08:19 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:10:06 2014. Of course you are 1000% correct but UNFORTUNATELY there are our friends with a different political ideology that look at it as "ART" this is why it has been allowed to continue onto the roof tops, security gates, highway walls, track walls buildings adjacent to open cuts or elevated lines, and other subway & elevated line surfaces. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Apr 23 14:09:16 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 22 18:20:06 2014. I don't know what's worse .. the Ronan paint scheme on Arnines or graffiti on the R-27s.--Mark |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 14:19:30 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by B53RICH on Mon Apr 21 19:28:25 2014. You can see the "165 St" sign down on the street. This was about 3 blocks from the end of the line. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 23 15:39:08 2014, in response to Queens Back In The Day, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 21 17:23:08 2014. OK.....that could also be said about the rest of the transit system and not just Queens. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 23 15:40:00 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 22 22:38:12 2014. So which Queen are you related to? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 23 15:58:44 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 23 15:40:00 2014. Maybe this one Streetcarman1?http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=438269 |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 16:08:55 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 23 08:28:17 2014. Here's a very interesting quoted passage from the NYCSubway.Org website concerning the 1970's and the J-train:----------------- On September 10th, 1977, the Jamaica Elevated was permanently closed between Queens Blvd and 168th Street. The last revenue train left 168th Street at 12 midnight. Oddly, it was the politicians and the businesses in the area that wanted the El closed before the Archer Avenue subway would open. The TA really wasn't interested in tearing it down. In fact, on September 20th, the TA ordered demolition of the structure to stop and they wanted to determine the cost of restoring the service. The moratorium didn't last long, for demolition was resumed in October. Ironically, Macy's announced the impending closure of their Jamaica store shortly after El service ended. recent-bimg_3022.jpg http://images.nycsubway.org/articles/recent-bimg_3022.jpg The rustic appearance of the 168th Street station in Jamaica, Queens, New Years' Day 1977. By September the Lowes' Valencia would be gone as well. Doug Grotjahn photo, Joe Testagrose collection. On March 31st, 1977, the last revenue train of R-1/9 cars left 168th Street / Jamaica on the J line at 8:01am, arriving at Broad Street, Manhattan at 8:55am. It then ran light to Coney Island yard to be scrapped. On September 11th, 1977, two post-abandonment fantrips were run on the Jamaica El using D-Types and AB standards. --------- Interesting, Mike. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Apr 23 16:52:19 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 16:08:55 2014. Ironically, Macy's announced the impending closure of their Jamaica store shortly after El service ended.There was a Macy's in Jamaica? I was aware of Mays and Gertz, but not aware of any Macy's there. Where was it? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Apr 23 16:58:30 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Apr 22 10:45:20 2014. It was even worse seeing the R-27's in the Archer Avenue subway when it opened in 1988! |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 17:02:20 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Apr 23 16:52:19 2014. This article is from the Brooklyn Rail, for September 4, 2007.----------------- http://www.brooklynrail.org/2007/09/art/macys Macy’s Jamaica (1947): An Unsung Modernist Masterwork In Queens by Joseph Masheck by Joseph Masheck http://www.brooklynrail.org/article_image/image/2271/macy_1.jpg INTERIOR VIEW OF THE GROUND-LEVEL SELLING FLOOR NEARING COMPLETION (copyright unknown. Courtesy of the Long Island Collection of the Queens LIbrary) My interest in abstract art developed out of an interest in modern architecture that began with the very early experience of a particular building, an experience that was repeated while I was still a child, and has retained vivid reverberations for a good sixty years. Recently, I was reminded of this experience while reading a Docomomo newsletter about the Macy’s department store, built in a then-fashionable, bulked-up, urban fortress on Queens Boulevard in Elmhurst Queens, 1965, by Skidmore, Owings and Merril. But the article gave one the impression that this was R. H. Macy & Company’s first incursion not only into Queens but into the outer boroughs, though a Macy’s store had been purpose-built at Parkchester, in the Bronx, as early as 1941. More to the point, I knew there had been a Macy’s in Jamaica before about 1950. And while it is true that the Elmhurst building (afterwards a Stern’s) was especially oriented to car traffic,1 (being cylindrical with a helical ribbon of parking wrapped five times around) Macy’s Jamaica, an excellent but now forgotten building, had gained public notice almost a generation earlier for providing roof parking accessed by built-in spiraling ramps. Besides, it was an urbane and more than respectable work of art, not merely a clever solution to a problem, nor just a way-station, either, to the suburban tailgate party of the mall in the increasingly city-phobic ‘fifties. It took me a while to track the building down, but happily it survives. Macy’s Jamaica has not been completely overlooked, though it has not been taken artistically seriously. In their ever-fascinating New York 1960 picture book, Stern, Mellins and Fishman say that it asserted a respectful if undistinguished presence in an outer-borough neighborhood.2 Well, I remembered something considerably better than that, even if, after fifty years, my first significant architectural experience had become idealized. This elusive department store had provided nothing less than the most memorable and no doubt formative artistic experience of my boyhood, an experience of sheer architectural wonder, soon after it opened in 1947. What had so impressed me was its open, ground-level selling floor as a thrillingly lofty space. I also remembered being fascinated by the pleasantly loose coexistence of various types of light fixtures embedded into and attached on an irregular, ad-hoc basis to adaptable mounts on the high ceiling (I still love the sense of relaxed order which this entailed!). Until provoked by the article on the other, later Queens Macy’s to see for myself, I never expected to experience the pneumatic space of that room again, assuming that the building must have succumbed to demolition or at least adulteration. There has, after all, been so much gratuitous anti-modernism in the age of the illiterate Yuppies. Yet appreciation of this building, at the time, precisely as modern should not be underestimated: at the age of 93, my only recently deceased aunt still remembered the store as the most streamlined building in what was then our part of the city.3 http://www.brooklynrail.org/article_image/image/2270/macy_2.jpg EXTERIOR VIEW FROM THE SOUTHEAST, SEEN FROM ABOVE, WHEN THE STORE WAS NEW (copyright unknown. Courtesy of the Long Island Collection of the Queens Library) Last summer I was finally able to visit the site, expecting the worst but therefore in just the right pessimistic frame of mind to be happily surprised by the building, now known as Jamaica Colosseum Mall. I could hardly wait to describe it afresh, and consider it art-historically, as a major work by someone lately rediscovered: one Robert D. Kohn, and also a John J. Knight, who had worked together (and with Frank E. Vitolo) on 444 Madison Avenue (the sometime Newsweek Building), built in 1931. True, the main-floor ceiling is not quite as high as I remember it from first or second grade; but then again, I also remember that in the winter of 1947 a person could not even see over the snow banks on the streets! Nevertheless, the space remains lofty indeed, especially relative to the mean low ceilings to which most Americans are now accustomed, even in government buildings, let alone department stores. The sleek, low-slung, single-storey exterior has an understatedly intelligent interplay of forms that could be considered functionalist even in that it avoids that potential dyslexic confusion of similar distant parts which affects many symmetrical buildings, classical or modern the problem here being a single low rectangular solid facing onto three streets. Imagine two people agreeing to wait at the corner after the distractions of shopping, only to find to their frustration two entrance corners, too far apart at that to see from one to the other. The corners, however, are distinct: the northeastern (165th Street and 89th Avenue) is quarter-round, its three bronze-framed bays consisting symmetrically of a central doorway and flanking shop-windows; while the northwestern (89th Avenue and 164th Street) is squared but asymmetric, with a doorway only on the northerly side, as the shorter leg of an ‘L.’ One can just see the difference in the exterior photograph from the southeast and above, where the far edge of the parapet is curved at the right while the right-angled corner is discernable at top right. On a larger scale of differentiation: at the northwesterly corner one sees strip-windows on two sides, though differently placed, while at the other, northeasterly corner one sees no strip-windows at all to the left, but a strip of office windows around to the right. This latter strip of windows, and a marquee on the same, northeast, side, are also the parts of the building most patently in need of restoration, the marquee owing to the rotting of its now exposed wooden framing on the darker and damper north side. Also, these long marquees carry triple-convex-banded (probably sheet-bronze) trim; and while serving as canopies, they refer only casually to particular entrances, as if at a stroller’s pace, and compositionally differently, one feels, on all three facades. The westerly facade, on 164th Street, which accommodates the automobile entrance to the roof, and exit therefrom, is the most complex, with two marquees, higher and lower, and pedestrian as well as the automotive portals. Here, on an off-centered rise in the facade, where an elevator tower projects above the roof parapet, (a forward-thrusting vertical plane, originally a sign bearing vertical M – A – C – Y’ – S letters), is complemented by a floating cantilevered horizontal below it to the left. These three-dimensional forms relate, as well, to further asymmetries. If anything, the asymmetries of projecting and receding, vertical and horizontal planes, as here between a medium-high stretch of facade to the right with vertical ventilators and a long low stretch of facade to the left, amount to an understated, easygoing extension not only of De Stijl but also, for instance, of Mies’s van der Rohe’s street facade of the 1930 Tugendhat House, at Brno, in the Czech Republic, as already transposed in Rudolph Schindler big-band version of the idea for the John J. Buck House, Los Angeles, of 1934. Robert D. Kohn (1870-1953), the most distinguished of the various architects who worked on Macy’s Jamaica, was a significant older practitioner experienced in earlier modernism. Born in New York, Kohn was as old as Adolf Loos and actually older than Gropius or Le Corbusier; when he built Macy’s Jamaica with the assistance of John J. Knight, he was 75 to 77 years old. After City College and Columbia, Kohn had studied at the Beaux-Arts and that was still in the early 1890s! In Cleveland, early on, he had worked on a clothing factory and a women’s clothing store. Closer in time and space, he had worked on expansions of two New York department stores: the last building phases, in 1924-25 and 1928-29, of A. I. Namm & Son, on Fulton Street in Brooklyn (with Charles Butler), as well as the flagship Macy’s at Herald Square, which he expanded westwardly in 1924, 1928 and 1931. By 1945-47, when the Jamaica project was under way, he had long since been president of the American Institute of Architects (1930-32), director of the housing division of the federal Public Works Administration (1933-34) and vice-president and a design official of the 1939 New York World’s Fair.4 As to actual design: by 1947 the handsome quadrant-rounded northeastern corner of Macy’s Jamaica resembled Albert Martin and S. A. Marx’s famous May Company department store on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles, of 1939-40, also limestone-clad, its strip-windows broken, however, into so many equal and equidistant dashes (Czech functionalists sometimes did much the same, if with more confidence in an ‘industrial’ look). In their well known formulation of the ‘International Style’ Hitchcock and Johnson had offered an almost disciplinary condemnation of what was, to them, gratuitous quadrant-rounded corner. As a functionalist mannerism, this on an Innsbruck apartment house of 1930 The curved corner cannot be justified by function nor does it appear necessary to the design5however, in commercial circumstances, at least, there were ample precedents for the form, significantly for purposes of merchandise display.6 And if modern glazed quadrant corners for shop-windows are reminiscent of early Adolf Loos, in Vienna, even his, on a boutique scale, must finally recall, with characteristic Loosian Anglophilia, the quadrant shop-windows of Samuel Ware’s Burlington Arcade (1818-19, modified in 1911), in London.7 The 2005 Landmarks designation of Kohn’s earlier Brooklyn department store work by the City of New York specifies a structural steel frame, with reinforced concrete floors, clad in Indiana limestone with bronze trim in a highly sophisticated, elegant modern design . . . with a rounded corner . . . [8] all features consonant with a nevertheless categorically more modern Jamaica Macy’s, twenty years later. The Namm’s noted rounded corner, on Fulton and Hoyt Streets, belongs to the store’s later, 1928-29, phase. In the 1930s the Namms’ store drew customers not only locally but also from Long Island, as would Macy’s Jamaica before both markets withered with the appearance on the Island of such malls as Skidmore, Owings & Merrill’s Roosevelt Field (1956; modified beyond recognition in the 1990s), which would include its own Macy’s. At Kohn’s Jamaica Macy’s, the capacious selling floor also offered something even more ‘organic’ than the exterior quadrant-rounded corner. The whole street level is open-plan, thanks to the slim columns at amazingly wide, 60-foot intervals, allowing a completely free disposition of counters and displays. At present, the space is filled with a multitude of cubicles, like a 1990s ‘free-market’ commercial version of the municipal markets built by the City in the 1930s; yet even these benefit by the exhilaratingly lofty and unobstructed ceiling. Originally, the interior architects, Daniel Schwartzman and Kenneth C. Welch, had this main floor broken up by moveable modules forming ‘organically’ irregular counters. When the building was new, this very irregularity in the interest of flexibility was criticized for being insufficiently gray-flannel conformist, by a writer for whom this disposition made for a sort of strained restlessness, a lack of dignity and comfort, and a different type of monotonous uniformity.9 However, a consulting architect on the project, Richard G. Belcher, spoke instead of the remarkably organic form sales counters of the new Macy’s main floor as free form islands.10 They were, after all, akin even to the rubbery biomorphic forms of Friedrich Kiesler’s 1942 surrealist Art of This Century gallery for Peggy Guggenheim, including Kiesler’s so-called ‘correalistic’ multi-orientable as well as multi-purpose chairs,11 though admittedly more regularly and discretely curvaceous. The fortunately permanent centerpiece of the main floor is also somewhat organic: a staircase that, thanks to a certain modesty of scale, manages to be un-pompously splendid as its curls down to the basement level for what looks to be an almost windowless single storey building from without is experienced as a two-storey one from within. Cut into an oval in the floor, the feature embraces both the straight ramp of a single ascending escalator and a sweepingly curved, divided up-and-down stairway that finally splits, as if into twin tendrils, as it reaches bottom, the whole wrapped around by a continuous hefty plate-glass baluster and framed elegantly sturdily in bronze. As unostentatious as it is, this wonderfully organic modernist staircase, it should be noted, precedes by a decade Saarinen’s great Borrominian T.W.A. Terminal at ‘Idlewild’ (now John F. Kennedy International) Airport which Docomomo has helped to save. Urbanistically, Macy’s Jamaica represents a pivotal moment in the suburbanization of the postwar U.S.A. Namms’ in Brooklyn had aimed to be classy and was left high and dry; this first Macy’s in Queens was a middle-class masterpiece left more fortunately to working-class adaptation. What I am supposed to say, of course, is that in Jamaica the demographics changed; but saying so only hides two unhappy truths that I remember because I was there: that in the 1950s Queens white people stampeded to sell their houses, in a reverse speculation of hysterical shock at the arrival of blacks from the South. The real problem was that many newcomers were essentially small-town folk quite unaccustomed to the ressentiments of urban living. By the time this Macy’s closed in 1977, I have been told, only a single entrance could be kept open in order to minimize thefts; yet on the other hand, the tearing down by the city of the elevated ‘subway’ on Jamaica Avenue, two blocks away, at just about the same time, can hardly have been good for business. Rather than conform my account to the by now conventionally pro-suburban topos of the cornucopian mall of the postwar commodity fiesta (facilitated by the destruction of ‘interurban’ public transportation in the interest of a once grand General Motors, which at this writing faces bankruptcy), I would point up the social-historic context of the building somewhat differently. Macy’s Jamaica is an overlooked work of architectural art, not just a halfway station to the age of ‘mall-to-mall’ mediocrity. If we really wanted to get into the social history, we could consider why it took two years, from groundbreaking in October 1945 to September 1947, to build this simple, fairly small structure: for the reason concerned the new corporate economy into which the many veterans returned, with extensive labor disputes and strike actions against R. H. Macy & Company throughout 1946, as one can readily track in The New York Times Index for that year. On behalf of a building that opened in 1947 and closed in newly problematic socio-economic circumstances in 1977, it might be best to end by saluting thirty years of purpose-use followed by another thirty years of easy adaptability, notwithstanding neglect of maintenance: hardly a bad record now that we see famous major projects of the 1960s and even ‘70s receiving, in so-called ‘good’ neighborhoods, often enough, their second rehabilitations. And if its author’s earlier Brooklyn store, of far less artistic significance, has already been ‘landmarked,’ why not this solidly beautiful structure, still in decent condition, which would surely make a fine annex to the enthusiastically hummingly busy but quite overcrowded main Queens Library, almost around the corner? Joseph Masheck, art historian and critic, and a former student in architectural history of Rudolf Wittkower and Dorothea Nyberg, was editor-in-chief of Artforum from 1977 to 1980. 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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Apr 23 17:10:04 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 17:02:20 2014. Interesting,,, I was not aware of that location, thanks! I guess because it wasn't located right on the avenue like the other department stores were... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 23 17:10:29 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Apr 23 14:09:16 2014. I'd say both, but graffiti-ing up the arnines like that just looked incredibly stupid. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 23 19:15:09 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 22 22:38:12 2014. 
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 23 21:49:04 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 22 17:10:51 2014. Lets not forget that a big factor in the demise of the El was not so much the presence of the structure, but how ugly the equiptment appearedthanks to the graffiti. That certainly had to have an influence. Passing trains looked freekin horrible, like this vandelism was out of control. Its a wonder more Els weren't torn down thanks to graffiti. I bet if redbirds ran then, there wouldn't be so much of an outcry to rip it down. At least if the trains looked nice(er),maybe then we can live with it might have been the sentiment. But sometimes payoffs will get anything done, regardless of looks or needs. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Apr 23 23:00:20 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 22 17:10:51 2014. What's the origin of the name Jamaica ? Karl |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Wed Apr 23 23:50:12 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Apr 23 23:00:20 2014. "What's the origin of the name Jamaica ?"My understanding is that Jamaica was named after the Jameco Indians that originally lived in the area. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Apr 24 06:07:52 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 22 17:10:51 2014. 168th, 160th, and Sutphin Blvd stations were demolished in 1979.Construction for the connection from the Archer Ave Subway to the Jamaica Ave El east of 121st began in 1985. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Apr 24 09:23:04 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Apr 23 16:58:30 2014. Hopefully by then they had gotten the Redbird treatment (if not a full GOH). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 10:06:42 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 22 20:36:32 2014. The Archer Ave connection was trickier, because the el rises over the LIRR mainline. To avoid an unecessary hump, about a blocks worth of el had to be replaced with one which was level with the ramp. However, this connection was complete 15 months before the line opened. The ramp was used for layups the entire time. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Apr 24 10:25:43 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 22 18:20:06 2014. Okay, Selkirk, repeat after me!William J. Ronan says: :D |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 24 13:34:08 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by renee gil on Thu Apr 24 06:07:52 2014. Almost all the demolition took place in 1978. It was substantially complete by January 1979, when all that was left standing were the columns:
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 13:39:44 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 24 13:34:08 2014. Remember this scene vividly from childhood. The pillars which supported traffic lights survived until 1982ish. And the demolition really tore up the asphalt on Jamaica Ave. In many areas the old trolley tracks were exposed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 13:42:46 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 23 07:01:17 2014. Everyone will take the bus, they said. They did, they just stayed on them and got off at Green Acres. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 13:47:23 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Apr 23 23:50:12 2014. Indeed. The area became known as the Jamaica Plain, the only place on Long Island between the forks and the East river where you could pass through the terminal moraine which essentially prevented north/south travel. It became well trafficked, and the town of Jamaica grew to service it. During the Battle of Brooklyn in 1776 the British Army marched through it to outflank the Colonial Army in one of the worst defeats for us in the entire war. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 13:54:27 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 23 08:28:17 2014. The Jamaica commercial area begins at Sutphin Blvd, it's no accident that this is where demolition ended in 1978. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 14:20:05 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 23 08:28:17 2014. imagine Jamaica LIRR without a subway connectionKinda like Newark without a PATH connection. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 14:39:10 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 23 08:28:17 2014. During the 1987 Amtrak strike that shut NYP down, they had to run diesels to Richmond Hill to connect to the subway (J at 121st). |
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Posted by Renee gil on Thu Apr 24 16:56:31 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 24 13:34:08 2014. i stand corrected. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Apr 24 17:42:11 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Renee gil on Thu Apr 24 16:56:31 2014. UGH the agony!!! Victor any other pics of the El being dismantled? |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 24 17:56:21 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Renee gil on Thu Apr 24 16:56:31 2014. No problem! I remember seeing a big flatbed truck heading west on Atlantic Avenue in Richmond Hill in the summer of 1978. On it was an entire 50 foot single track section. I told someone "There goes the Jamaica Avenue el!". |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 24 18:16:17 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 13:42:46 2014. LOL! TRUE INDEED! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 24 18:21:22 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by renee gil on Thu Apr 24 06:07:52 2014. When the line was already substantially completed by then.a famous politician held up construction of this..and completely halted/along with the MTA's cry of "no funding", the southeast extensions of both route further into Queens. these lines are STILL NEEDED TODAY..but the MTA has thrown the outer boros under the bus for MaNHATTAN..WHILE WE SHOULDER THE COST. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 24 18:24:13 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Apr 23 16:52:19 2014. YUP..Marshall's stands there today. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Apr 24 18:51:22 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 24 13:34:08 2014. Any one know what street that is approx? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Apr 24 19:02:10 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 22 17:27:57 2014. That "Chock Full Of Nuts" was once a "Kresgie's" back in the late '50's early '60's. I went to summer school at Jamaica High, and would stop there for a Ice Cold Rootbeer in a frozen mug. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 24 19:20:29 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Apr 24 10:25:43 2014. 
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Apr 24 19:31:39 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 13:47:23 2014. Interesting history, thanks guys. Karl |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 19:43:45 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Apr 24 19:02:10 2014. Nothing like a cold root beer on hot summer day. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Apr 24 19:46:13 2014, in response to Queens Back In The Day, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 21 17:23:08 2014. I grew up not even 10 minutes from there, and I remember in my youth when the J went to 168th Street. Man, the memories oooooh the memories!!! :-) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Apr 24 19:47:08 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Apr 23 16:58:30 2014. I think you meant the R-30s, good buddy. |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 25 00:06:12 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Apr 24 17:42:11 2014. The Metropolitan Av, Queens Blvd and Sutphin Blvd pages on nycsubway.org include some demolition photos.Also this site includes some photos. And Chris R16/R2730 posted these photos showing the connection to the Archer Av subway under construction. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Apr 25 02:16:18 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 25 00:06:12 2014. Thanks Victor!! |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 25 02:36:44 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Apr 25 02:16:18 2014. You're welcome. |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 25 02:57:42 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Apr 24 18:51:22 2014. It's at 150th St looking west. King Mansion Park is just out of view on the right. That paint store on the corner is now a deli with a dentist's office above. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Apr 25 05:09:23 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Apr 24 19:02:10 2014. IAWTP, i love root beer in a frozen mug.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Apr 25 05:29:58 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 25 00:06:12 2014. excellent pictures.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Apr 25 06:50:41 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 24 13:34:08 2014. I was little, but man do i recall this scene!!! Sad to see, of course!! :-( |
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