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Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 17 02:04:01 2014 Amtrak trains face growing delays from oil trainsExcerpt: The growing volume of oil train traffic is apparently contributing to delays on Amtrak trains that share the tracks. And Congressional legislation that set standards to keep Amtrak trains on time was tossed out last year by a federal appeals court, and may have aggravated the problem an Amtrak official said. Winter is almost over up here, but other delays persist: http://blog.timesunion.com/business/amtrak-trains-face-growing-delays-from-oil-trains/59828/ |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Thu Apr 17 08:55:15 2014, in response to Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 17 02:04:01 2014. Oil train traffic on the CSX mainline has gone through the roof, but the LSL has had a terrible on-time performance record as long as I can remember. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 17 09:12:34 2014, in response to Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 17 02:04:01 2014. I have a trip on the LATE Shore planned for late summer with a 4 1/2 hour connection with the Empire Builder. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 17 13:04:09 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Railbus63 on Thu Apr 17 08:55:15 2014. It's gotten even worse. :( |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 17 13:04:59 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 17 09:12:34 2014. Heh. Here's hoping you make it there in time for the NEXT train out of Chitown. :) |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 17 13:08:51 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 17 13:04:09 2014. They probably need a schedule overhaul. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Thu Apr 17 13:59:14 2014, in response to Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 17 02:04:01 2014. The one time I rode the "Late For Sure Limited" from CHI-NYP it made good time and actually arrived at NYP about 15 minutes early. OTOH the one time I picked someone up at NYP arriving on it it came in almost 3 hours late. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 17 14:41:23 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 17 13:08:51 2014. NO. They need CSX to obey the terms of the Amtrak enabling legislation. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:46:06 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 17 13:04:59 2014. The EB has its own set of problems these days due to increased freight traffic on that route. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 17 20:13:53 2014, in response to Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 17 02:04:01 2014. Hmmmm, maybe they should construct a pipeline. After all, oil is the keystone to our economy. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 17 20:30:35 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 17 09:12:34 2014. And you know increased rail traffic will produce increased derailments & increased grade crossing incidents, slow orders, enviornmental cleanups..etc.So you want to go west by train & make it there by late summer?? Leave now!! |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 18 00:11:34 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:46:06 2014. Yep ... the author was actually headed west though, so went with that. Delays tend to affect both directions though. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Apr 18 09:49:10 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 17 09:12:34 2014. Get yourself a protect reservation on the next day's LSL. If you have AGR points for a sleeper those reservations can be canceled cost free up to time of departure. If you miss your connection you get a free hotel stay. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 23 22:24:23 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Apr 18 09:49:10 2014. AGR reservations can be cancelled for free up to departure? |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 25 09:32:22 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 17 09:12:34 2014. I tracked the on time performance of the LSL for the two weeks leading up to my LSL trip this past February and westbound it ranged between 2 and 8 hours late with an average of about 4. My train came in 5 hours late. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 25 09:33:20 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 23 22:24:23 2014. It depends on what type of ticket you purchase. The info is online. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Apr 25 10:14:55 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 25 09:32:22 2014. I'll be taking the Texas Eagle in June to STL and it typically runs 20-40 minutes late. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 25 10:38:43 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Dave on Fri Apr 25 10:14:55 2014. Trains do not run late. The timetable is an estimate on the earliest time a train could arrive, and indeed they cannot leave before the published time. But single track railroads are an iffy affair, and one slow work zone can add an hour to the travel time. Problem is these zones are always moving, indeed on a daily basis. So AMTK may add two maybe three hours padding at some crew point or at a place where they change from one railroad to another. So they might allow three hours for a segment that they can pass in just one hour on the assumption that they will be delayed somewhere.Still, in my experience with the Empire Builder an arrival within six hours of the published is a victory. ROAR |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 25 11:13:47 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 25 10:38:43 2014. You're not helping. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 25 11:14:11 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Dave on Fri Apr 25 10:14:55 2014. That's awesome compared to the LSL. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Apr 25 12:34:28 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 25 11:14:11 2014. More traffic on the LSL route, I'm guessing. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 15:03:35 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Dave on Fri Apr 25 12:34:28 2014. CSX mainline from Schenectady to Chicago. Was once four tracks, is now two. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri Apr 25 17:56:56 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Dave on Fri Apr 25 10:14:55 2014. The only time I rode the Texas Iggle (Philly/South Jersey pronunciation) it left CHI on time and went into the hole less than 30 minutes out to meet a northbound UP freight. That put it off schedule, so it went into the hole for two subsequent Amtrak northbounds. These were single-ended sidings, so we had to reverse out of the siding to return to the main.On my return trip we were held at Tower 55 in Fort Worth for a UP freight train that didn't show up until 45 minutes later. Once we resumed our trip, we kept getting later and later until the 29 passengers who were transferring to the Capitol Limited in CHI were bused from Saint Louis to Toledo. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Apr 25 18:25:12 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 15:03:35 2014. That downsizing happened in the 50s. In theory bidirectional /CTC on 2 tracks was supposed to give greater flexibility. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 23:23:04 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Apr 25 18:25:12 2014. And that was the mighty New York Central that made it work. It's CSX now. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 26 00:15:10 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 23:23:04 2014. Yes, Perlman (RIP) could teach Ward a thing or 2. From a long term POV, the refusal of the C&O braintrust to consider letting NYC into the C&O/B&O merger was the major disaster in eastern railroading. Had they merged then and the smaller fish been sorted out betwen them and an N&W tail wagging the PRR dog we never needed to have the PC debacle. And just to underline the craven behavior in Cleveland, C&O, calling itself Chessie by then was offered E-L for a pittance during the lead up to ConRail. Again they declined failing to see that access to the New York Port with oversize clearances might be valuable. Not to mention that E-L's loco fleet was in good shape which is why I saw E-L SD 45s on the freight bypass above 3oth St in may 76. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 26 00:39:23 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 26 00:15:10 2014. Yep ... but to hear it be told by some here, they were all geniuses and it was the big bad evil government that made them commit hare kiri. :) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 26 02:06:55 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 26 00:39:23 2014. A great deal of data to chew on--not likely we would settle this in these threads. |
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Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :( |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Apr 26 08:13:42 2014, in response to Re: Planning a ride on the Lake Shore? Fuggedaboudit. :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 26 00:39:23 2014. Management geniuses should have been able to deal with the regulators and get what they needed.After all, other heavily regulated businesses including electric and gas utilities and insurance companies manage to make money. |
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