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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 10:50:55 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 10:42:26 2014. Correct, that is the Fare control area, but the platform are beneath the 7Th ave BMT tracks and extend towards 6Th Ave . |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 10:52:52 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 10:50:55 2014. Okay. I'm trying to find out what building existed there, prior to the Hilton. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 10:54:18 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 10:32:42 2014. Correction! No! The 6Th Ave End. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 10:56:00 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 10:52:52 2014. William B. Tabler was then tapped to finish the project and he designed it with slabs. It opened on June 26, 1963 as the New York Hilton and offered 2,153 rooms, making it the largest in the city.From Wikipedia. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 16:11:09 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 10:56:00 2014. Fine! Any luck on the previous structure there, before the Hilton? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 16:16:53 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 31 22:37:00 2013. Terp, you were a little bit human after you had your daughter. Time for you to have another kid! I am trying to do some good helping someone find something. Why don't you try it sometime? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jan 1 16:39:13 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 10:50:55 2014. Yes, they extend toward 6th Ave., but obviously they don't reach it, since there has to be room east of the station for the D and B trains to make the turn onto 6th. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jan 1 16:58:55 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 10:36:43 2014. What am I looking for? I couldn't find anything noteworthy or relevant to the discussion until I got to History, where the first paragraph mentions the Houston-Essex St line, basically the portion from W 4 St to E Bway. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 17:48:33 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 16:11:09 2014. No, wouldn't know where to begin.Maybe a Wikipedia "Rockefeller Center Area History " question might reveal info. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 18:07:44 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 17:48:33 2014. Go to nycsubway-dot-org and read the 6th Ave subway first paragraph. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 18:10:12 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jan 1 16:58:55 2014. Yes, the route of the shuttle, between Jan 1st and April 9th, 1936. After that, the "E" ran to Jay Street, Brooklyn. |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Jan 1 21:17:13 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 1 18:10:12 2014. didn't the E train ran to church avenue station from 1936 'till 1940? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 2 16:31:57 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by renee gil on Wed Jan 1 21:17:13 2014. I believe you are correct, sir. Until the 6th Ave subway opened on Dec 15th, 1940. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 2 16:36:02 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 17:48:33 2014. I've been pretty busy, have you checked it out? |
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Posted by menJop on Sat Jan 4 01:28:05 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Graham on Sun Dec 29 01:42:45 2013. Just for fun, I thought I'd take a stab at what the Lower East Side neighborhood map might look like if the stuff in that picture had ever been built. Two new stations, two new sets of platforms in existing stations, three river tunnels, and a bunch of new track:
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Jan 4 12:39:09 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 30 17:09:03 2013. On the BMT 14th St. line, Union Sq., Third Ave. and First Ave. are only one avenue block apart so why not? |
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Posted by menJop on Sat Jan 4 14:05:07 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 30 17:09:03 2013. It still makes no sense to have a 2nd Ave station with an entrance at 1st Ave/Allen and then another station at Ave A/Essex. That's the distance of 3 short blocks.I don't think there would have been an entrance at Ave A. The link posted earlier shows the station as being between Clinton and Pitt, ie, Ave B and Ave C. I posted a map earlier in this thread showing what the MTA Neighborhood Map might have looked like. It's a pretty reasonable distance. Still a bit close, but the closer they got to the river, the deeper the station would have to be. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 4 14:44:45 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by menJop on Sat Jan 4 14:05:07 2014. Especially considering that the spur tracks, B5 and B6, ramp up, while the northbound track from Essex, B2, runs below them. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 4 14:48:28 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Jan 4 12:39:09 2014. The IND spaced their stations farther apart, in most cases. Clinton/Pitt looks like reasonable spacing, east of 1st/2nd Aves. |
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Posted by menJop on Sat Jan 4 15:27:11 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 30 17:09:03 2013. It still makes no sense to have a 2nd Ave station with an entrance at 1st Ave/Allen and then another station at Ave A/Essex. That's the distance of 3 short blocks.I don't think there would have been an entrance at Ave A. The link posted earlier shows the station as being between Clinton and Pitt, ie, Ave B and Ave C. I posted a map earlier in this thread showing what the MTA Neighborhood Map might have looked like. It's a pretty reasonable distance. Still a bit close, but the closer they got to the river, the deeper the station would have to be. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 4 20:09:08 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 1 09:33:43 2014. You are correct. Those stairs were once an entrance to the Seventh Avenue - 53 Street station. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jan 5 12:16:27 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 4 20:09:08 2014. Do you know when the stairs were last used by the public?While we're at it, from when, to when , were the stairs used to enter and exit the station? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jan 6 00:45:38 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Jan 4 12:39:09 2014. The L train is a bit of an exception, since it was originally built to connect with all the north-south lines (in this case, the 2nd and 3rd Ave els). Plus, if you only count the station entrances, it's actually closer to 2 avenue blocks between each station. After the els were demolished, there was probably enough ridership (or at least enough community support) to keep both 1st and 3rd Ave stations open. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jan 6 01:03:44 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by menJop on Sat Jan 4 01:28:05 2014. Nice job! It kinda hurts to see what the Lower East Side missed by not getting the stations at Grand St and Ave B - those stations could really be useful now. Also, if the Second System portion of E Broadway was just a little farther south, it could have an entrance on Pike St, right where the M15 (and some of the Chinese and Yo! buses) stops, something which would also have been useful. |
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Posted by menJop on Mon Jan 6 02:11:08 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jan 6 01:03:44 2014. It kinda hurts to see what the Lower East Side missed by not getting the stations at Grand St and Ave B - those stations could really be useful now.Yeah, both those areas are pretty poorly served. Also, if the Second System portion of E Broadway was just a little farther south, it could have an entrance on Pike St Good point. I just drew a box about the right size and centered it. Had it actually been built it probably would have had entrances on Pike. |
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Posted by Graham on Fri Jan 10 06:11:27 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by menJop on Sat Jan 4 01:28:05 2014. Thanks for doing that. It makes one weep to see what the 'bean counters' took away.The latest episode of "The Next Stop Is..." discusses the possibility of promoting short subway extensions to boost real estate values, that line down Houston St, looks like a perfect candidate... http://secondavenuesagas.com/2014/01/09/ep-11-of-the-next-stop-is |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 10 15:20:15 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Graham on Fri Jan 10 06:11:27 2014. Link doesn't seem to open. |
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Posted by Graham on Fri Jan 10 19:13:22 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 10 15:20:15 2014. Not sure what happened there, here is the link without the html.http://secondavenuesagas.com/2014/01/09/ep-11-of-the-next-stop-is/ |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 11 15:43:50 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Graham on Fri Jan 10 19:13:22 2014. I got a "page not found" message. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 11 15:50:34 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 11 15:43:50 2014. I cut and pasted the URL and it worked for me. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jan 11 22:48:13 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Dec 31 15:42:01 2013. I found four articles (they say there are 989 results), but they want to extract money from me like a bully attempting to separate a kid from his lunch money.The trick is to use the Search button at the very top of the page, not your address/search bar, which likely draws its results from Google, Yahoo!, or Bing, or whatever you have set as your default search engine. |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Sat Jan 11 22:56:29 2014, in response to Re: Map Question, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jan 11 22:48:13 2014. Disable java script and you'll be able to view the article. |
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