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R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:53:14 2013

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From MTA's July Financial Plan 2014-2017... preliminary budget for 2014 huge ass document.....

NYCT is increasing the scope of Scheduled Maintenance System (SMS) for its 752 R46 cars, enabling the cars to remain in good condition for an additional four years due to delays in the delivery of the new R211 cars;

R46 Fleet Life Extension.

Due to a delay in delivery of new cars to replace this nearly 40 year-old fleet, it is now necessary to extend the fleet’s useful life by the fleet undergoing a scheduled three-year maintenance cycle.

To enable this, an additional 98 positions will be required in 2014, growing to 188 positions in 2016.

Incremental costs are projected at $11.7 million in 2014, $10.7 million in 2015 and $15.7 million in 2016.


158 positions for SMS – R46 Life Extension in 2015, 188 positions in 2016

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:18:22 2013, in response to R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:53:14 2013.

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So, these cars are going to last until 2018 then?

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:18:22 2013, in response to R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:53:14 2013.

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So, these cars are going to last until 2018 then?

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jul 25 18:21:49 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:18:22 2013.

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There is no reason they wouldn't.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:22:57 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jul 25 18:21:49 2013.

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Is it possible for the MTA to increase the R179 order?

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 25 18:27:13 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jul 25 18:21:49 2013.

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Actually, the program will last 3 years unless the MTA does what it did with the R-44 program. The R-46s will go beyond 2018.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:27:16 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:22:57 2013.

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NO

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:28:03 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:18:22 2013.

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The cars will last when the R-211 order completes.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:30:05 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:28:03 2013.

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No shit Sherlock.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:34:08 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:30:05 2013.

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Fuck you

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:34:53 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:34:08 2013.

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GROW UP.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:39:44 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:34:53 2013.

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Please go far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far 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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:46:17 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:39:44 2013.

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Cute.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by CJ on Thu Jul 25 18:48:57 2013, in response to R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:53:14 2013.

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Do you know what page in the document that shows this?

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 25 18:51:38 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 25 18:27:13 2013.

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Do any get exported to SIR with the last 40 R179 ?

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 25 19:06:26 2013, in response to R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:53:14 2013.

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R-46 = reprieve.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 25 19:22:09 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 25 18:51:38 2013.

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I don't know!

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 19:29:32 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 25 18:51:38 2013.

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The last 40 R179 cars are part of 2nd Av line subway ext.

Staten Island will get the new R211 car order in 2015 and beyond.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 25 19:32:17 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 19:29:32 2013.

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SIR should get the first ones. I suppose they cannot be draw-barred sets, and be like PATH cars ?

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Jul 25 20:20:23 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:39:44 2013.

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+9999.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:35:54 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by CJ on Thu Jul 25 18:48:57 2013.

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How about give some credit to me finding the info instead of copy/paste on your craptastic NYC Transit forum like you did.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 22:39:21 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:35:54 2013.

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Hey, don't go off on CJ like that.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:48:50 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 22:39:21 2013.

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Troll, just go away.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 22:50:27 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:48:50 2013.

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Says the King of Trolls.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by CJ on Thu Jul 25 22:52:55 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:35:54 2013.

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Sorry about that.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:53:44 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 22:50:27 2013.

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You nothing but trouble brat since Friday. Go away. Far away. Far far far away.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:54:13 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by CJ on Thu Jul 25 22:52:55 2013.

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Thats fine, next time please do.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by CJ on Thu Jul 25 22:56:58 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:54:13 2013.

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I will. Thanks for posting by the way.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by grand concourse on Fri Jul 26 00:14:22 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 19:29:32 2013.

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1st part, yup.
2nd part, can the R44s last that long?

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R32_3671 on Fri Jul 26 02:24:25 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by CJ on Thu Jul 25 22:52:55 2013.

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yeah this means the R32s are gonna be here for a good while, they won't be retiring in so called 2017

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 26 08:41:31 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by grand concourse on Fri Jul 26 00:14:22 2013.

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Their suspension is like running on cinder blocks and most have flat wheels.

If they could just get 16 R46 or R68 cars over there, they would only have to run the R44's rush hours, plus a spare running sometimes off-peak

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 26 09:34:59 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 26 08:41:31 2013.

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I would prefer r68s so they don't need to change trains again in like 5 years. At least they can run those as single cars and other 2, 4, or 5 car arrangements.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 26 15:30:37 2013, in response to R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:53:14 2013.

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So.....fucking...awesome.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by joe c on Fri Jul 26 16:26:33 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R32_3671 on Fri Jul 26 02:24:25 2013.

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They may retire on that year.



til next time

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 26 21:05:16 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 26 09:34:59 2013.

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Only nine R-68s remain single - the ones serving the Franklin Ave. shuttle.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 26 21:06:06 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:46:17 2013.

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At least he didn't put it in scroll mode.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 26 21:07:42 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 25 19:06:26 2013.

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I suppose the same can be said about the 50 remaining R-42s. Ditto for those BMT standards that were yanked off the scrapline and put back in revenue service during the Jamaica Yard Crisis in 1966.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 26 21:18:52 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 26 21:05:16 2013.

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Can always put the H2C's and controllers back where they found them.
If they sent just 16 over there, that's is not much they have to do.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 26 21:26:55 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 26 21:07:42 2013.

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The R42's are basically filling the roll of the BMT Standards on the Bway/Jamaica Line: on the rush hour service. About the same age too.



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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by grand concourse on Fri Jul 26 22:30:53 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 26 21:05:16 2013.

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Put the R46 AA pairs for Franklin, and if they can't make those 4 car sets as singles, then take the singles for add ons for 5 car trains and the late night 2 car trains.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jul 26 23:17:07 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 26 09:34:59 2013.

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They should have gone the UK Southern or Japanese way and acquire far from life-expired PA-4 trucks from PATH and put them under whatever body that was available. Too late.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 26 23:33:31 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 26 21:26:55 2013.

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not so...they run everyday all the time now like the old days..and will continue to do so until our 160s come back from exile.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by grand concourse on Fri Jul 26 23:45:26 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jul 26 23:17:07 2013.

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I do agree the pa4s were prematurely retired, but I dunno if they could meet the needs of the SIRT and you'd more or less be back in the same issue as this idea of sending some R46s there for a few years before retiring them.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 27 07:42:21 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by grand concourse on Fri Jul 26 23:45:26 2013.

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PATH trucks are completely different and incompatible. For one thing, there is no gear box.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 27 07:46:18 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 26 23:33:31 2013.

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The R32's are out and about.
I thought the R42's are mostly parked.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 27 08:39:01 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 27 07:42:21 2013.

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If there is no gear box, can you explain how the traction motor is connected to the wheel set?

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 27 12:11:02 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 27 08:39:01 2013.

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Just repeating what a maintenance guy told me on board a train to NWk one day. I don't know how they work. About 20 work PA4 cars were damaged by Sandy, they can't get parts, and when I asked, he said NYCT car parts are not compatible and PATH cars do not have gear boxes. They trucks are too long slung to accommodate them given their clearances.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by R62CNG on Sat Jul 27 12:48:48 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 27 12:11:02 2013.

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Didn't PATH also loss PA-4s in 9/11 too?

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 27 14:04:50 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by R62CNG on Sat Jul 27 12:48:48 2013.

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1 PA4, the other 5 were older cars.

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Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 27 15:54:21 2013, in response to Re: R-46 Fleet Life Extension program... blame on MTA delaying the R-211 order, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 27 07:46:18 2013.

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i see em everyday from my advantage.

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