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The R-32's are being assigned to the "J", Why? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 4 09:11:46 2013 Bear with me guys I may have missed a few chapters of this story. Why exactly are the R-32's being re-assigned to the "J"? Is this a seasonal move or a plan to get all the older equipment to the elephant's graveyard in the Eastern Division? Also what is happening to the four car sets of R-160A's that they are replacing? Are these unit now going to the "C"?Thanks in advance for any info. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 09:15:29 2013, in response to The R-32's are being assigned to the "J", Why?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 4 09:11:46 2013. The air conditioning system on the R32's needs fresh air to function efficiently. Since the J line is mostly elevated, NYCT feels that would be the best line for them. This is a summer swap of equipment. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 09:51:53 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 09:15:29 2013. To clarify - it's not fresh air that they need. It's cooler air. Because of the contained heat in the tunnels, and the old & inefficient condensers on the R-32s, the A/C motors run up to 135 degrees F. Unfortunately, the R-32 A/C compressor motors have thermal overload switches that open at 130 degrees to protect the motor. The A/C then shuts down until the ambient air cools the motor to a point where the thermal overload switch will close and the unit will run again. Since the outside air is cooler than the tunnel air, the units will operate continuously when operated outside rather than in a tunnel. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Andy on Thu Jul 4 10:02:27 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 09:51:53 2013. This has been done in past summers for the same reason. On what lines were the R32 operated in the past summers? Believe it was the A in past because of the outdoor stretches to Rockaway and the longer express stretches without door openings. This is the first year the J is being used as their "summer home", correct? |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 10:05:12 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 09:51:53 2013. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 10:12:41 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Andy on Thu Jul 4 10:02:27 2013. They had to steal 20 R42's and an R46 from Queens to do that. Since the ENY R160's are getting as SMS this year, they can't steal R42's without cutting rush hour service.Also being outside only east of Euclid is not very effective when you are in hot tunnels from Wash Hts. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 10:13:29 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Andy on Thu Jul 4 10:02:27 2013. Correct but there were 2 problems with the swap to the A line. The first was that it didn't solve the problem. Once a northbound "A" train hits Grant Ave., the train is then in a tunnel all the way to 207th St and back - over 2 hours. The A/C would likely shut down by then. The other was economic. For every R-46 train that went to the "C", they were replaced by 10 R-32s, in essence increasing car demand by 25%. This increased mileage and maintenance costs while reducing spare factors. The swap with the "J" line is one car for one car. No increases in miles or maintenance and no reductions in spares. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Thu Jul 4 10:24:21 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 10:13:29 2013. I said this to alot of people, the railfans are pissed off, im not, it makes better sense to do this since the J is outside 90% of the time |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 10:30:23 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by R32_3671 on Thu Jul 4 10:24:21 2013. I am a railfan too but I don't understand being pissed off over the swap. From a railfan point of view, you get a RFW view of the J line which is not normally available any more. Besides which, I thought part of being a rail fan is to want to understand the whys and hows of railroading. This is why the swap was made and this is how we correct a problem without spending several million dollars. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 11:28:35 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by R32_3671 on Thu Jul 4 10:24:21 2013. Thankfully they do not run for the railfans, who would run the Arnines on the Rockaway Park shuttle if they could get away with it.. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Thu Jul 4 12:05:48 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 10:30:23 2013. exactly, to me its something very different, something that hasn't been on the J since 1989 |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 12:34:07 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 10:30:23 2013. "This is why the swap was made and this is how we correct a problem without spending several million dollars. "By the way, the word "Correct" should actually be "handle". |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 12:59:01 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 10:30:23 2013. A rail fan wants to understand the whys and how of railroading as you said.But on this board are many buffs, or foamers or train nuts or fill in the blank. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 13:01:00 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by R32_3671 on Thu Jul 4 12:05:48 2013. Even then, they never has a heavy presence on the Jamaica el. Generally, it was a stray that got assigned to the QJ or after 1973, slipped onto the J from the M. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Thu Jul 4 13:41:15 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by R32_3671 on Thu Jul 4 10:24:21 2013. Henderson you can get off your high horse. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jul 4 13:55:31 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 10:30:23 2013. I assume the reason some railfans are upset is because they didn't put them on the A line which to most railfans I would imagine is a more "exciting" ride than that of the J.Mostly express, and they sometimes went to the Rockaways, etc. The J is local and only has a short express run during certain times of the day, and it already has trains with RFW's that are easy to find during rush hour. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Jul 4 14:05:38 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 11:28:35 2013. What about the R110B? Aren't there at least 4 usable cars left? |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 14:06:15 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 12:59:01 2013. You hit the nail on the head. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 14:07:44 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jul 4 13:55:31 2013. I can see that too, I guess. But it was done last year. Change is good. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 14:11:04 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by grand concourse on Thu Jul 4 14:05:38 2013. Spare parts ? Flexibility ?They can couple R46's on the H together and make Rock Park A's out of them. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 14:16:29 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 14:11:04 2013. Tou could couple the R-110B and R-46 mechanically but the R-110B air brake was not compatible and the electric portions on the couplers were totally different. Good for "foamer fodder" but it would never run. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Jul 4 15:05:23 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 14:16:29 2013. Yeah, i would like to see them run of it was possible and of course with so few cars left of that last 6 operational cars, the shuttle is the only place it can run. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 15:12:42 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Grand concourse on Thu Jul 4 15:05:23 2013. It has to be re-interated time to time that the R110A and R110B will never run again. They were experimental cars--budgeted as such---and have been retired.My moles tell me an unknown number of R110A's are in the process of being converted into pump cars. We currently have 3 pump trains and following Sandy that number is to be increased. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by CathedralPky on Thu Jul 4 15:14:57 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by R32_3671 on Thu Jul 4 10:24:21 2013. Personally, I'm excited to see R160As - heck, anything new - on the 8th Ave line (as you might guess from the username, it's my default train.) |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 15:16:25 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 15:12:42 2013. Send 'em to SIR as their R44's fall apart ! |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 15:18:06 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 15:16:25 2013. Seriously? |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 15:33:23 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 15:18:06 2013. No. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 15:43:19 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 15:33:23 2013. As I sad earlier, the cars are retired.In order to bring them back to life thy would need thousands of dollars of work + manpower. Plus like R44's 388-399 they would need structural upgrades since they would now be railroad cars rather than subway cars. It is not efficient or economical have a unique,odd fleet of 6 cars which would require a unique parts inventory both cosmetically and mechanically. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 4 15:53:23 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by CathedralPky on Thu Jul 4 15:14:57 2013. I'm excited to see R160As - heck, anything new - on the 8th Ave lineThe R-160A's from the Jamaica Line are in four car set so I assume that they are running on the "C"? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 15:56:00 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 4 15:53:23 2013. Yes, an equipment swap between the C and J lines. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 16:01:14 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 15:43:19 2013. What did they do to the SI R44's for FRA structural compliance ?I know they are exempt from some of that, perhaps less than what is required of PATH, which is 400K lb buff strength. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 16:05:52 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 16:01:14 2013. Grab handles and steps on the side of the cars.A field trip for you to St. George is in order. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 4 16:28:16 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 15:56:00 2013. Thank you Bill.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Jul 4 17:12:48 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 15:12:42 2013. Never said they should, only said it'd be nice. I know about the r110a being converted to pump cars too. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Jul 4 17:15:10 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Grand concourse on Thu Jul 4 15:05:23 2013. *i know will never happen, just saying it'd be nice to see them run in person. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 17:21:50 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 4 16:05:52 2013. I know about whistles, handles, and steps (and their flat wheels) but I meant buff strength. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jul 4 17:41:47 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 14:07:44 2013. Change is a sign of life. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 5 09:55:45 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 4 10:30:23 2013. However, what about the "J" passengers, going from the newest cars to the oldest. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 5 10:29:15 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 5 09:55:45 2013. I thought that they were going from Jamaica Center to Broad Street.ROAR |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 5 17:36:02 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 5 09:55:45 2013. They pay for a ride. Nothing more and nothing less. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 09:22:27 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 5 09:55:45 2013. If the AC works, it's a bench seat , what's the difference ? Better lumbar support on the R160 ? |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Jul 6 10:31:02 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 09:22:27 2013. If a person has a jlo sized ass, then an R160 is perfect. The sloped back is ok, but they didn't need that much space at the bottom, imo.Agreed overall, if the ac works, nothing to complain about. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 10:55:27 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by grand concourse on Sat Jul 6 10:31:02 2013. I don't know what kind of ass you need for the PATH PA5 seat. They "look" comfortable, but never cease to give me a lower backache by 10 minutes.I think the dished out seat causes your spine to drop. I'd much rather sit in a 45 year old PA1 seat. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 6 13:52:35 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 09:22:27 2013. Dont know about that..they[160's seats] tend to bother me right at my shoulder blade area after awhile. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 6 23:30:09 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 5 09:55:45 2013. They probably wont care.....or even notice. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 6 23:50:46 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 6 23:30:09 2013. oh..we've noticed alright...we've also noticed the AC was kick ass cold! so cold,most windows were glazed over! not so with the 160's. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jul 6 23:57:47 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 09:22:27 2013. what's the difference ?The R-160s aren't loud? |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 7 00:13:37 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jul 6 23:57:47 2013. the HVAC is horribly noisy on the NTT cars. |
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Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 7 06:22:22 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 5 09:55:45 2013. Outside the foamer community, nobody gives a shit.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sun Jul 7 06:33:59 2013, in response to Re: The R-32's are being assigned to the ''J'', Why?, posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 7 06:22:22 2013. Sooooo true, Fred. 8-)Peace, Andee |
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