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LIRR train on ground in E River tube |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:33:08 2013 Sketchy details at this time; train to Hempstead (?) from Penn has derailed in or near one of the East River tubes. Minor injuries are being reported. Does not sound like a major incident.wayne |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:42:48 2013, in response to LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:33:08 2013. So that's why I just saw a LIRR train doing about 5mph w/b near Woodside. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 17 19:47:46 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:42:48 2013. There is also a sick passenger on an LIRR train eastbound in Mineola! |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Jun 17 20:06:27 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:42:48 2013. LIRR Delays Due to Derailment Due to a disabled train in one of the East River tunnels the LIRR is offering limited hourly service from Penn Station on the Babylon, Port Jefferson, Port Washington and Ronkonkoma branches. Customers for all other branches are advised to take the 2 or 3 subway lines from Penn Station to Atlantic Ave-Barclays Center for eastbound service at Atlantic Terminal. Westbound LIRR service remains suspended into Penn Station. We apologize for any inconvenience. Monitor Service Status for updates. |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Jun 17 20:08:26 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:42:48 2013. Montauk Branch CustomersSuspended Posted: 06/17/2013 7:49PM LIRR Montauk Branch service is suspended between Patchogue and Speonk due to an unauthorized person on the tracks being struck by a train east of Patchogue. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 17 21:20:44 2013, in response to Re: and a 12-9 on the Montauk, posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Jun 17 20:08:26 2013. Another dimwit hit by a train on the Montauk???? Man, they're baggin' 'em by the pound now out there!!! Smdh..... |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Jun 17 21:26:15 2013, in response to Re: and a 12-9 on the Montauk, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 17 21:20:44 2013. keepin' undertakers busy.... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jun 17 21:40:16 2013, in response to Re: and a 12-9 on the Montauk, posted by monorail on Mon Jun 17 21:26:15 2013. It's a good field to get into....................constant customers. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 23:04:49 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 17 19:47:46 2013. BHLECCCCCHHHHHH! |
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Posted by lirr42 on Tue Jun 18 00:36:11 2013, in response to LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:33:08 2013. Here's some more information on Monday night's derailment http://thelirrtoday.blogspot.com/2013/06/commuter-chaos-617-one-of-those.htmlHempstead Branch train 768 derailed while heading into Line 1 of the East River Tunnel's on Monday. All service has since been restored with residual delays; delays and cancellations are expected for Tuesday morning's rush. |
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Re: and a 12-9 on the Montauk |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 18 01:24:21 2013, in response to Re: and a 12-9 on the Montauk, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 17 21:20:44 2013. Yeah, no one ever gets killed on the north fork....oh wait, you gotta actually run trains to kill trespassers. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jun 18 06:47:01 2013, in response to LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:33:08 2013. Holy shit, they're rerouting a PW train to HPA...I'm pretty sure that's unheard of |
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Re: and a 12-9 on the Montauk |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Jun 18 11:38:27 2013, in response to Re: and a 12-9 on the Montauk, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 18 01:24:21 2013. The trespassers there actually utilize the right of way more than the trains do!! :-D |
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Posted by Joe on Tue Jun 18 13:57:10 2013, in response to LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:33:08 2013. That the discussion on SubChat is so thin, without details, puzzles me. We tend to criticize reporters and the media, but Newsday has provided much more info than I see here. Last night, for example, the Newsday website said that an NJT train was moved up to the east six cars, and that the rescued passengers (from those 6) were brought to Sunnyside and then back to Penn to face more delays. The same story today has been changed to say they were brought to Jamaica! I doubt that NJT equipment reached Jamaica, but if it did it might have had an ALP-45DP on the east end.--- Although many NJT coaches have traps and steps, I presume management did not want to dump people onto the tracks of Sunnyside Yard. --- Where were the LIRR protect engines? Sitting in Richmond Hill? --- Again, did one or two trucks derail? One story says 500 feet of track was damaged, and 8 switches. Ouch! Big time damage. From the description of doorways askew between the 6th and 7th cars (thus blocking escape west out of the first 6), I suspect that could have happened even if only the lead truck on the 7th coach derailed. --- SubChatters hate speculation before investigation. However, the occasional terrible ride I have had in seats over M-7 trucks makes me wonder whether a truck refused to pivot on a switch, causing the jump. I realize that almost all derailments result from track defects, but those M-7 trucks can sound and ride horrible sometimes. Joe |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 19 00:01:12 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 23:04:49 2013. Eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!Deja vu all over again. I wonder if one of the car numbers was 1277. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 19 00:02:08 2013, in response to Re: and a 12-9 on the Montauk, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jun 17 21:40:16 2013. For lawyers, anyway. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jun 19 01:03:54 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by lirr42 on Tue Jun 18 00:36:11 2013. While the train was going to line 1, 1 has reopened while 2 appeared shut for tonights rush hour. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jun 19 01:20:09 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe on Tue Jun 18 13:57:10 2013. I'm pretty sure Queen Helena Williams canceled the protect jobs |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 19 01:41:40 2013, in response to LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:33:08 2013. I'm still puzzled as to how a Long Island Rail Road train derailed in the 53rd Street Tunnel.... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 19 16:06:34 2013, in response to LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:33:08 2013. How did it get all the way to the ground? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 19 16:31:55 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jun 19 01:20:09 2013. And just what could the protect jobs do for this incident? LION wants to know!The train was derailed, track was torn up. Just what would another engine do? (besides fill the tunnel with fumes?) ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 19 16:32:54 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 19 01:41:40 2013. Well, if it *was* in the 53rd Street Tunnel then it probably was derailed. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 19 16:35:47 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 19 01:41:40 2013. And if you were standing on the Queens side of the river, you would indeed be on 53rd Avenue!ROAR |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 19 17:24:52 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe on Tue Jun 18 13:57:10 2013. I highly doubt a NJT train went to Woodside even if it was a DM, the crew would have be qualified on that stretch of track between Sunnyside Yard and Jamaica. |
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Posted by Joe on Wed Jun 19 17:59:44 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 19 16:31:55 2013. People in the east six cars had to be rescued. The protect engines have a coupler on the west end matching the M-7 coupler. Move riders to the first four cars, and uncouple them from the 5th and 6th cars. Pull east and you are out of the tunnel with locomotives that can handle LIRR signals. Maybe drop the passengers at Woodside. For years, the protect job sat at Harold during rush hours to unplug the tunnel by running in, coupling and hauling east.--- If we have the story correct, one truck on the 6th car was derailed. --- If the protect engines were not available, I'm glad they were able to get a NJT train shoved into the tunnel, so the passengers could walk through and be brought somewhere. |
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Posted by Joe on Wed Jun 19 18:06:06 2013, in response to LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:33:08 2013. Sometime before 6 p.m. June 19, Newsday said that Amtrak reported that "a switch point protector guard cover" was at fault. It "appeared to have become dislodged."Does anyone have a photo of this type of device? I doubt it is used on model layouts. Thanks. Joe |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 19 18:16:39 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe on Wed Jun 19 18:06:06 2013.  These are at Jamaica, they are the same as in NYP. They probably look more like Atlas HO than anything else out there. 
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 19 18:33:27 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe on Wed Jun 19 18:06:06 2013. THAT IS a Newsday Reporter. He was probably told something about a third rail guard cover. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 18:41:17 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe on Wed Jun 19 18:06:06 2013. Here ya go ... plenty of pix, including failures ...http://www.google.com/search?q=railroad+%22point+protector%22+guard&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ATPCUda_BK6l4AON3oFg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=604 |
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Posted by Joe on Wed Jun 19 19:35:52 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 18:41:17 2013. Thanks, Selkirk, for the link to photos of the point protectors. I appreciate the help. Joe |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 19:59:47 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe on Wed Jun 19 19:35:52 2013. You're welcome!If what Amtrak indicated was a fault with the protectors, when they fail, you end up with this:  Left unprotected, the exposed blade of a switch point can quickly become degraded from wheel battering. A damaged switch point may not close tightly enough against the running rail to ensure a smooth passage of the wheel into the curved closure rail. A wheel flange can force its way between an ill-fitting switch point and the running rail and then derail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 19 20:04:58 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 18:41:17 2013. I never knew such a thing existed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 20:05:55 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 19 20:04:58 2013. I'm not a track guy by any means, but I've heard of them. Didn't quite remember what it was about though, so went and looked it up. Newsday got something right! :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 19 20:06:01 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 19:59:47 2013. Like Atlas HO and N.Better to invest in Pecos. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 20:10:05 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 19 20:06:01 2013. I did my entire N layout in Atlas ... never derailed on a switch ... curves, frequently. :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 19 20:14:14 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe on Wed Jun 19 17:59:44 2013. That somewhere had to be right back to NYPS via another tunnel. All the ALP45DP's are in use on Hoboken Division, there's only 9 in service. All others have Sandy damaged and none have been repaired. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 19 20:30:42 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 20:10:05 2013. Smaller "correct" wheels and flanges pick my Atlas switches all the time. I don't but them anymore. I get Peco, and Arnold Rapido on E-bay. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 20:45:17 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 19 20:30:42 2013. I went with Micro-trains on all of my non-powered trucks, and Katos on those. No problems. But I do like to do that Gomez Addams thing on curves and bridges. :) |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jun 19 20:47:49 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 20:45:17 2013. Kato Track with Kato Trains. It just works better!(And looks better too) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 20:50:28 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by R30A on Wed Jun 19 20:47:49 2013. Amen to that! They were expensive, but after 14 years, still running strong with original parts. :)And they're SO good, they even run on Atlas Flextrack! |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Jun 19 21:34:27 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 18:41:17 2013. Ah yes, must make sure that the points are well protected.wayne |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 22:05:52 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Jun 19 21:34:27 2013. Always a good idea to coax the flanges over a bit as they pass. :) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jun 21 21:05:10 2013, in response to Re: LIRR train on ground in E River tube, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 19 16:31:55 2013. Agreed, I was just responding to the question |
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