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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:21:38 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by R160A A Train on Fri May 17 19:51:27 2013. This reminds me of the LIRR Forest Hills derailment where they were very lucky there was no side-swipe. If a track defect, are these obese M-7 and M-8 trains breaking rails faster than we can detect them ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:25:02 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri May 17 19:44:05 2013. A fire from F40 fule tanks, and no way to get out of MARC Sumitomo coach is what caused most of those fatalities. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri May 17 20:26:17 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:21:38 2013. M7 been running service for like 10 years before that Forest Hills derailment, I don't think the trains themselves are the problem.I lurk the NJT forum on RR.net and they say the MLV there wear out the tracks but we don't hear stories about them derailing while in operation. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:26:42 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri May 17 20:17:46 2013. But northward out of GCT toward Chicago is of course westbound |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri May 17 20:28:53 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:25:02 2013. OK. My memory was fuzzy from watching the documentary as this was years ago, but the actual crash between the two trains seems silmar to this one. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 20:28:55 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:26:42 2013. Strangest is that NJCL trains are westbound out of NYP, depite Long Branch being geographically east of Manhattan. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:29:42 2013, in response to Re: Overhead shots from News 12 CT Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 20:05:31 2013. Assuming the married pairs face the same way, 2 cars of the same gender badly damaged, one absolutely destroyed, so 4 more M-2's will be around a while longer. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 20:31:51 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri May 17 20:18:23 2013. So sounds like the original report was correct but incomplete. I'm still impressed with how good the survival rate was given the extent of the damage. However, if it had happened on the OTHER side of that lead car, not so good. Sure hope there's room there to bail properly given that at least the aisles didn't seem to get cut up. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri May 17 20:31:55 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:26:42 2013. The Hudson line is North South, from Schenectady the like heads west to Chicago. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 17 20:33:34 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri May 17 19:37:49 2013. #9247 - looks like the side got peeled back. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 20:35:30 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri May 17 20:20:45 2013. Good to see you! I was worried it might have been one of YOUR trips. |
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Interior wreck M-8 pic Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 20:35:35 2013, in response to Metro North Incident, posted by Jsun21 on Fri May 17 18:35:31 2013. WOW
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:35:37 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri May 17 20:26:17 2013. MLV's most definitely have derailment issues, but not due to weight, but overly stiff draw-bar on curves, like in train yards.Talking to MofW fellow on a PATH train, whose says PA-5's have caused an epidemic in broken rails of PATH's trolley car track from when they were around just 6 months. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:37:58 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 20:31:51 2013. You can really forgot about any tolerance of looking out the RFW on remaining M-2 and M-3 trains from here on, and on the LIRR from violent grade crossing wrecks out to Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 17 20:38:25 2013, in response to Interior wreck M-8 pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 20:35:35 2013. Based on that picture, its a wonder nobody was killed. Lets hope it stays that way. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 20:38:38 2013, in response to Re: Overhead shots from News 12 CT Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:29:42 2013. Looks like they're all a total loss, possibly more if there was frame damage. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:39:23 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri May 17 20:31:55 2013. But in terms of even and odd train numbers, out of GCT is west for H & H trains, east for NH trains, correct ? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 20:40:17 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:37:58 2013. Good reason for that ... schoolcar convinced me that the first thing you thought about after starting to charge up is "where do you bail if something happens and you've dumped the train?" Yeah, valid concern. |
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Metro-North directionals broken down....Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri May 17 20:40:42 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 19:43:43 2013. Hudson Line: GCT - Poughkeepsie is NORTH (vice versa SOUTH)Harlem Line: GCT - Wassaic is NORTH (vice versa SOUTH) New Haven Line (Main Line) GCT to N.H. is EAST (vice versa WEST) New Haven Line (New Canaan Branch) Stamford to New Canaan is EAST (vice versa WEST) New Haven Line (Danbury Branch) South Norwalk to Danbury is NORTH (vice versa SOUTH) New Haven Line (Waterbury Branch) Devon (CP261) to Waterbury is NORTH (vice versa SOUTH) Any questions????? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:43:18 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 17 20:33:34 2013. Much like the Rockville Centre side swipe on gauntlet track in the early 1950's. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 20:43:35 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri May 17 20:18:23 2013. News 12 CT:Hospitals: St Vincent's: 20 minor, 1 critical Bridgeport: 2 Critical |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:45:27 2013, in response to Re: Interior wreck M-8 pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 17 20:38:25 2013. Most people must have got off by that point, or didn't get on yet, whichever way it was going. |
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Derailment shots from News 12 CT Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 20:50:14 2013, in response to Overhead shots from News 12 CT Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 20:00:07 2013.    |
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More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 20:55:08 2013, in response to Interior wreck M-8 pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 20:35:35 2013.  
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 17 21:03:22 2013, in response to Re: Interior wreck M-8 pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:45:27 2013. My next question is, based on the location & track conditions/restrictions, what would be the appx speed of the trains & speed limits in that area ?? |
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Posted by CJ on Fri May 17 21:04:27 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 19:03:22 2013. Aren't those units still under warranty? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 21:06:08 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 20:28:55 2013. Most likely due to the Philadelphia and Long Branch Railroad. The railroad ultimately turned west after Seaside Park, crossing Barnegat Bay and heading towards Camden. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 21:08:18 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by CJ on Fri May 17 21:04:27 2013. They are still under warranty but would it cover on this accident? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 21:09:00 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 21:08:18 2013. Heh. Nope. :) |
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Posted by CJ on Fri May 17 21:09:46 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:25:02 2013. Yeah. I wonder if the outcome of that accident would of been different if the P40 (trailing unit) on the Capital Limited was leading. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 21:09:49 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 21:09:00 2013. CT residents may fork some money then |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 17 21:09:56 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:25:02 2013. The penetration of MARC 7752 by the other train's engine was much deeper than this - plus, as you have pointed out, there was the element of fire.wayne |
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Posted by CJ on Fri May 17 21:10:40 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 21:09:00 2013. That's what I'm thinking. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Fri May 17 21:11:36 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 21:08:18 2013. Depends on the cause. Manufacturer part gone bad? Broken axle? Or is the blame on the right of way.... |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 17 21:12:41 2013, in response to More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 20:55:08 2013. (re the bottom picture). If anybody was sitting in either of those seats, they would have been decapitated.wayne |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 21:15:27 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 21:09:49 2013. Nope. "Self-insured" ... farepayers will have to eat it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 21:15:57 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by CJ on Fri May 17 21:10:40 2013. It's called "customer damage" ... never covered under warrantee. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 21:17:19 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri May 17 21:11:36 2013. If your car crashes while under warrantee, who pays? MTA is a self-insurer. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 21:18:24 2013, in response to More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 20:55:08 2013. Thank god no one killed....      |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 17 21:20:05 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 21:08:18 2013. Not sure if this unit can be repaired. Whole chunk of superstructure (rear corner) is gone. Unless they opt for a replacement unit (like NYCT did back in '36 when they lost three R-1/4 cars in a gruesome telescope).wayne |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri May 17 21:20:43 2013, in response to Re: Interior wreck M-8 pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 17 21:03:22 2013. 75 mph with Fairfield Metro station at about mile distance. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri May 17 21:21:00 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 19:19:11 2013. Hopefully our friend TMP is all right! |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 17 21:22:11 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:43:18 2013. Similar but different - look at the aerial picture - you see the rear corner of that car - missing! And it's not the first car either. Must have been sticking out and in the path of the other train and got clipped.wayne |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri May 17 21:24:28 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:43:18 2013. I was thinking that too when I first read the story. Luckily it has a much better outcome. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri May 17 21:27:10 2013, in response to Even More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Fri May 17 21:18:24 2013. Very happy that no crew members or passengers were killed or really seriously injured. :-)Sad for those who were injured in this, serious or not!! :-( |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri May 17 21:29:56 2013, in response to Metro North Incident, posted by Jsun21 on Fri May 17 18:35:31 2013. Word from a friend is that one of the M-8s in the incident had JUST been delivered from Kawasaki; had maybe a week or two on the rails. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri May 17 21:30:13 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Fri May 17 20:35:37 2013. And there are a lot of places where multilevels are forbidden, like the siding in Far Hills and the Garwood Industrial Track. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 17 21:31:05 2013, in response to Re: Even More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri May 17 21:27:10 2013. "Very happy that no crew members or passengers were killed or really seriously injured. :-)"Lets hope we can still say that tomorrow morning! |
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Posted by WillD on Fri May 17 21:37:03 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 19:47:01 2013. That cannot be said with any certainty. It might be that with CEM the one car would have deformed and never have intruded into the passenger cabin of the other car without causing damage to its own passenger space. The possibility also exists that with another, better design the train cars would have remained upright and on their own tracks, avoiding the collision in the first place. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 21:42:55 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by WillD on Fri May 17 21:37:03 2013. Well once again, I caution (like I did in my reply, "(without any real details yet)") that "instant news" doesn't provide very complete information which is why it's best to wait until it's fully cooked.That said, based on what it appeared like given, as bad a wreck as this was, certainly still looks better than ones involving older car designs. |
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