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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 9 01:41:52 2012, in response to [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Aug 9 01:23:43 2012. The third track project would also transform our suburbs into an urban environmentOne could argue that this is what's partially pumping up the real estate prices around here compared to other parts of the country. We're not willing to building denser housing to hold more residents and add to the supply because people are obsessed with keeping the character of their neighbourhoods intact, but also we're unwilling to build the transit infrastructure to bring in workers from areas with greater density limits. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 02:05:46 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 9 01:41:52 2012. The problem with increasing density is people bought into a certain lifestyle and reasonably expected it to last. I don't think we should pull the rug out from under them so readily. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 9 02:30:59 2012, in response to [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Aug 9 01:23:43 2012. Well...I hear that,son.What your really saying is that you dont want "CHANGE"..You like it just the way it is.You dont want "urban sprawl" to come close to you.. So to be honest..you ARE NIMBY'S..But you dont like hearing yourselves described in THAT manor.. I whole heartily agree with you..isolate yourself off at the expense of everyone else.The funding can be used elsewhere,where the neighborhoods can and will appreciate it. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Aug 9 08:51:18 2012, in response to [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Aug 9 01:23:43 2012. Wouldn't it be cheaper just to restore the Central branch as an alternative to the Main Line? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 11:00:32 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Aug 9 08:51:18 2012. I think we've been through this already. Meadowbrook Parkway, Eisenhower Park, and a few other significant encroachments on the ROW once you get beyond the first two really big ones. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 11:02:04 2012, in response to [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Aug 9 01:23:43 2012. Haha. Would Ra be opposed to widening the NSP? Inquiring minds want to know. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:15:58 2012, in response to [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Aug 9 01:23:43 2012. Proper response: Cut peak service to allow the increased reverse peak service the LIRR wants and needs. When they complain, just shrug and tell them this is all we can do with 2 tracks. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:17:39 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Sun God Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 02:05:46 2012. The third track is not going to change the character of these towns. It's a response to a change that is already underway. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:19:29 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 11:00:32 2012. And NIMBYism even stronger than that opposing the third track.They really should have built the Babylon branch with 3 tracks. That would have keept all the South Shore diesels off the main line and allowed for increased reverse peak service with 2 tracks. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:20:09 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 9 02:30:59 2012. Cut their service. Tell them 3 tracks or more crowded trains. Choose wisely. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 12:24:22 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:19:29 2012. I can agree with that. |
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Posted by Kahlua on Thu Aug 9 12:59:38 2012, in response to [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Aug 9 01:23:43 2012. The assemblyman should check out the N6, 22, & 24 in the A.M. before he concludes that the reverse peak is a "tiny almost fledgling" segment of commuters. I guess he doesn't have employers in his district... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 9 14:09:27 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Kahlua on Thu Aug 9 12:59:38 2012. basically,he doesnt have a clue...more mouthpiece hot air. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Aug 9 15:01:38 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:20:09 2012. why is it the main line that has to have a third track? If you put a third track on the Babylon branch you can take the diesels going east of Babylon off of the main line? Or cut reverse peak service on the Babylon branch and combine peak trains so you can move service east of Babylon to the Babylon branch rather than taking up space on the main line? |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Aug 9 17:55:48 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:20:09 2012. sounds good to me.chud1 |
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Thu Aug 9 20:15:43 2012, in response to [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Aug 9 01:23:43 2012. How F'n stupid can the folks on Long Island really be??. If I was in charge of the LIRR for a week, the first thing I'd do, if I could get away with it, is to shut the railroad down, say for maintenance or to check the diesel exhaust for enviormential compliance, or some other bs excuse for the week and to let those self ritcheous white flight primadonnas worried about their real estate property values nosediving a/c a third track encroaching on their swimming pools drown in traffic & re-awaken as to how the LIRR is important to the overall quality of life and the economy on Long Island. Lets see one of those bloated whiners go into cardiac arrest & not make it to the hosp a/c too much traffic. Lets see how the family feels then. Bottom line, any excuse to ease traffic using increased railroad traffic is a good one.I remember when the last LIRR strike was back in the 70's & slowly but surely, Long Island was slowly dying. Strangling in its own traffic, trucking crippled & rail freight halted, Long Island was in serious trouble, to say the least. To stifle LIRR growth nowaydays is just shortsighted & stupid |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 9 21:40:49 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 11:00:32 2012. Between the east end of Nassau Community College and Carmans Avenue in East Meadow GO UNDERGROUND.wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 9 21:45:33 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Thu Aug 9 20:15:43 2012. Yeah, but how much time do we REALLY have out here? The sea is rising. The water table is being polluted. Plumes of chemicals are all over the place. The air is getting worse and worse. I would go for a third track, perhaps it could be built on an elevated structure through NHP, Carle Place and Westbury. Thought should also be given to the Central Branch with an underground segment from Meadowbrook Parkway to Levittown.wayne |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 22:03:25 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Aug 9 15:01:38 2012. It's hard to put a third track in through all those island platforms. And the main line west of Mineola has to deal with 3 lines, not one. Trains running express between Hicksville and Jamaica still have to use the eastbound track to get around all the local service.The Main Line should have been upgraded in the 60's, with the rest of the LIRR. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 22:04:56 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Kahlua on Thu Aug 9 12:59:38 2012. All he has to do is ride train #2008 during the week. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 22:06:10 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Sun God Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:17:39 2012. I was talking about densification, not the third track. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 22:07:03 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 11:02:04 2012. Yes, he would prefer the SUNrise Highway be widened. |
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Thu Aug 9 22:08:12 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 9 21:45:33 2012. They thought of elevating the ROW from New Hyde Park to Hicksville, eliminating X amount of grade crossings & the accidents that go with them but the whiners said NOOOO. "We dont want another Babylon branch type El screwing up our landscape" Then they they thought of burying the ROW below grade to accomplish the same result , kinda like what they did in Bayside years ago, again the whinners said no.They want it both ways out there, but in the real world, that wont happen. So here's whats gonna change, the 3d track might happen but any long term improvements as far as eliminating all those grade crossings, not in our lifetime. Maybe something will happen if some politicians kid gets killed at one of those grade crossings. Things always change when it hits home. As far as the sea rising, relax! You have a long time before you have to swim to work. BTW Y'all should be thankful they never built Shoreham! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 9 22:12:51 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 22:03:25 2012. It doesn't even have to be through the island platforms. Build it either just south of the existing line, or over the westbound lanes of the Sunrise Highway and connect it where necessary. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 22:19:06 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 9 22:12:51 2012. It would be cheaper to give the main line a third track between Floral Park and Hicksville than the entire Babylon branch east of VALLEY. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 9 22:34:43 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 22:19:06 2012. Good point. Besides, how would Main Line passengers benefit from a third track on the Babylon branch?How many passenger trains are scheduled to travel between Jamaica and Babylon via DIVIDE? |
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Posted by Mtk52983 on Thu Aug 9 22:43:54 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 22:19:06 2012. 3rd track VALLEY to Babylon has the advantage of greater commercial property along ROW while Main Line has residential, schools, etc. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Aug 9 23:17:11 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Thu Aug 9 22:08:12 2012. the 3d track might happen but any long term improvements as far as eliminating all those grade crossings, not in our lifetime.I think they'll be open to a crossing elimination project when there are enough trains on the main line that the gates stay down between 7AM and 9AM, 4PM and 7PM... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 10 00:05:48 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Aug 9 23:17:11 2012. Gates would only stay down like that if there were something like 40 TPH running. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Aug 10 00:28:33 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:15:58 2012. The problem is that people well away will end up impacted...like: into eastern Nassau, such as Hicksville. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Aug 10 00:36:09 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Kahlua on Thu Aug 9 12:59:38 2012. Which begs the question---why didn't Nassau County purchase about 20 of the now-retired first batch of MCIs to run reverse-peak express service from Jamaica LIRR to Mineola via Jericho Turnpike (and then to East Gate Boulevard and East Meadow)? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:48:21 2012, in response to [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Aug 9 01:23:43 2012. amazing...he denies it's NIMBY-ism...then engages in total NIMBY-ism. Hard to believe that people actually OPPOSE a service improvement. I "like" how he points out "deadly" piecces of steel flying through the air...like that happens a lot. Perhaps JFK airport should be closed, because one day, a jetliner may fall into someone's back yard. No less logical than "flying steel"... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:49:44 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 9 02:30:59 2012. He denies being a NIMBY, and then proves what a NIMBY he is... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:51:45 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 9 12:19:29 2012. Right. Isn't there some provision someplace that says they can use that line once a year, for the circus train, and that's it?MORE NIMBY-ism. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:52:04 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 11:02:04 2012. Probably not. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 10 16:31:18 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Aug 10 00:36:09 2012. NO IT DOES NOT BEG THE QUESTION! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 11 15:06:03 2012, in response to Re: [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:48:21 2012. Eminent domain coming into play is a part of this, however. Put it this way, if there is a third track, New Hyde Park Road will have a crossover or crossunder - bet on that. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 11 15:43:34 2012, in response to [ Op-Ed ] : NY Assemblyman Ra Speaks Out About MTA’s Plans For a Third Track, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Aug 9 01:23:43 2012. How feasible is closing Main St crossing, Mineola? Every time I go through there, even during the height of the rush hour, I never see a long line backed up.Urban Ave: Bond St bridge School St: nothing can be done here due to truck traffic Willis Ave: nothing can really be done here Main St: close New Hyde Pk Rd: Underpass South 12 St: pedestrian overpass Covert Ave: Overpass? One of the reasons that most of the community opposition you hear comes from New Hyde Park and Floral Park is that NHP/Merillon have a 50 min westbound gap (1 hour if you only count NYP trains) in the AM peak during which time the expresses from the far-out stations take priority over local service. As for how many trains are scheduled to use the line...there are 46 westbounds per morning rush hour combined west of Mineola. Add to that 10 eastbounds and several deadheads, and you got a mess. That's 14 average TPH through there, the actual TPH during the peak of the peak is higher. |
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