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Posted by Peter Dougherty on Mon Jul 9 23:10:03 2012 Hi all,A good friend has asked me a question (in italics, below) that I can't answer and I'm hoping someone here may know for sure. This is obviously well before my time. I have a photo here (from a friend’s Facebook page) of the 66th St. Station of the 9th Ave. El, taken from 65th St., about where Avery Fisher hall would be now (the picture is from 1937). In this photo, the El had two levels of tracks, and the station had stairs going to both levels, most likely opposite directions of travel. I never knew the 9th Ave. El was like this. Do you know if that was only for a short distance due to width restrictions, or was the whole thing like that? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Peter Dougherty, Author/Publisher  Tracks of the NYC Subway 2012 Edition Now Available |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 10 00:52:38 2012, in response to 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by Peter Dougherty on Mon Jul 9 23:10:03 2012. nice to see you are still around.. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Jul 10 01:07:40 2012, in response to 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by Peter Dougherty on Mon Jul 9 23:10:03 2012. it's just the upper level express platforms the in the photo. 9th ave used the same "bunny hill" express station design that the other els used.http://nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/calcagno-1920-elevated.gif |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 10 01:59:14 2012, in response to 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by Peter Dougherty on Mon Jul 9 23:10:03 2012. Probably an express station I would think. I believe on at least some of the manhattan els, the express tracks rose to an upper level at the stations so that they did not have to widen the entire structure when they added the express tracks. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 10 06:15:34 2012, in response to Re: 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by The Silence on Tue Jul 10 01:07:40 2012. Bunny Hill? I loved that guy! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jul 10 07:49:48 2012, in response to Re: 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by The Silence on Tue Jul 10 01:07:40 2012. Why did they call it a "bunny hill"? Is that a term that was commonly used?It looks from the map that the 9th Ave. express ran nonstop from 66th St. to 116th St. That's almost as long as the run from 59th to 125th on the IND line that replaced it. I had no idea there were any express runs that long on the old els. Something else that confuses me about that map is the West Farms Yard that is shown in the Bronx just north of "E. 177th St." (West Farms Sq./E. Tremont Ave.) on today's 2/5 line. The yard leads are shown between the north end of the station and the turn to the east to E. 180th St. station. But there is no room there, the turn is immediately north of the station. I guess the station platforms may have been extended north of where they used to end, but it is still hard to imagine that this yard could have existed where this is shown. |
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Posted by Peter Dougherty on Tue Jul 10 08:08:05 2012, in response to Re: 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 10 00:52:38 2012. I still lurk in the shadows. It gets a tad warm in here for my liking much of the time, I hate to say. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Jul 10 09:56:27 2012, in response to Re: 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jul 10 07:49:48 2012. "bunny hill" that was me, at 1AM, making something up so I didn't need to explain in. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jul 10 11:53:11 2012, in response to Re: 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jul 10 07:49:48 2012. The following 1924 aerial view link answers your question about West Farms Square Yard. You were correct that the original station was further south:http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/?z=8&p=1017357,245688&c=GIS1924 It appears there was a repair shop at that location. You mentional express runs on the old els. There was an even longer one on the 3rd avenue el from 42 St to 106 St. I rode it in 1952, but was disappointed the train never went faster than about 35MPH. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 10 12:38:14 2012, in response to 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by Peter Dougherty on Mon Jul 9 23:10:03 2012. Express stops on the 9th Ave el: Rector St was set up like a typical local station; Cortland St, Warren St, Desbrosses St, and Christopher St were single level with 2 side platforms and a center island platform between the uptown and center tracks. The bi-level stations that you mentioned were on: 14th St, 34th St, and 66th St. 116th St and 125th St were single level island types with the northbound platform, just north of 116 or 125 Sts, with the southbound platforms just south of those streets. 145th St was bi-level and 155th St was 2 tracks with a center island platform in each direction, plus a siding track on the southbound side, with a side platform. I think I got them all! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jul 10 14:02:18 2012, in response to Re: 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by VictorM on Tue Jul 10 11:53:11 2012. Thanks for that picture link. It was an odd-looking setup. I'm wondering if the ironwork today reveals any traces of it. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 11 15:56:08 2012, in response to Re: 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 10 06:15:34 2012. I thought Bunny was his favorite girlfriend. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 11 15:57:07 2012, in response to Re: 2012 Edition of Tracks of the NYC Subway, posted by The Silence on Tue Jul 10 09:56:27 2012. I thought as much. I always heard them described as "humps," without sexual connotation. |
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