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Posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jun 18 18:25:40 2012 I don't believe I've seen this map on SubChat before but apologies if it was previously posted (also sorry for the quality of the image - my scanner has been giving me a hard time lately). It's from a c. 1939 Hagstrom map (all the els and the IND World's Fair spur date it to that year) and shows the stations on the proposed line to 106th Street. It's interesting that the optimistic "OPEN 1943" appears along the route.
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Jun 18 18:33:58 2012, in response to IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jun 18 18:25:40 2012. I guess being the Fulton el was still running all of the way to Park row and not yet owned by the city there was no plan of re-claiming the dual contracts section from hudson to lefferts. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 18 18:35:26 2012, in response to IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jun 18 18:25:40 2012. Funny that both the Jamaica and Fulton St lines "jog" north at Crescent Street. |
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Posted by mike cruz on Mon Jun 18 18:54:44 2012, in response to IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jun 18 18:25:40 2012. Very nice! |
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Posted by aaron on Mon Jun 18 20:19:50 2012, in response to IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jun 18 18:25:40 2012. Oh boy, hear come the 76th Street posts all over again... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 20:38:56 2012, in response to IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jun 18 18:25:40 2012. I can't get over the fact that there's no IND Broadway- East New York (now Junction) station at all. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 20:48:22 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by aaron on Mon Jun 18 20:19:50 2012. If the map said "75th Street", how did "76th Street" come about? If I may dare to open up that can of worms again! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jun 18 20:58:49 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 20:38:56 2012. That has been discussed here before, and that station was definitely already planned. Its omission from the map was a mistake. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 18 21:04:20 2012, in response to IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jun 18 18:25:40 2012. Pretty much proof 76th St doesn't exist. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 18 21:07:34 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 20:38:56 2012. That station opened in 1946. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jun 18 21:11:28 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 20:48:22 2012. If you have followed all the 76Th Street posts you should know the answer. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jun 18 21:11:42 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 20:48:22 2012. If you have followed all the 76Th Street posts you should know the answer. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 18 21:24:56 2012, in response to IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jun 18 18:25:40 2012. You know, an old horse trainer at Aqueduct told me that when he used to go into the stables feed lots, there was a subway station entrance behind a wooden barrier. He peeped in and saw a sign "TO 106 STREET". I always thought he had been drinking too much, but... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 21:44:01 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 18 21:07:34 2012. Yes, we know that, Chris. It's just strange that B'way-ENY station was not shown on this map. That's quite an oversight! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 21:46:00 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 18 21:04:20 2012. Now, they will start a 75th Street thread! Oh joy! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 21:48:50 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jun 18 21:11:28 2012. I followed a lot of them- then I gave up! |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 21:49:54 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 18 21:24:56 2012. Uh oh, here we go again! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 21:52:30 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 18 21:24:56 2012. "GET YOUR PICKS AND SHOVELS, BOYS!" |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 22:04:08 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 18 21:24:56 2012. You know, it's quite possible that sections of this route were built, like the 2nd Avenue subway has been, but never completed. Look at that map i t's circa 1943, when WWII was going on, and perhaps the steel needed for the subway was instead used for the war effort. Figure out where those barns were at the time, and if they were between the track itself and where the subway was supposed to have been, possibly some subway construction did take place. If the proposed expansion of Aqueduct ever takes place, and a subway was started, one never knows if such subway construction will appear. If it does, it certainly would add to the 76th Street Station mystery, or help to solify its existence.. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 22:04:45 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 22:04:08 2012. Last line of this post: "solify" should have been spelled "solidify." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 18 22:08:38 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 21:46:00 2012. Oh what the hey ... I'll bite. Perhaps 75th was where the stairs were supposed to be. After all, there's no stairs coming up to West 4th either. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 18 22:15:52 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 18 22:08:38 2012. 
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 18 22:26:28 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 21:46:00 2012. Now, they will start a 75th Street thread! Oh joy!Actually that explains everything. There was a station built east of Euclid Avenue. It was at 75 Street not 76 Street. We were all off by a block. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 18 22:29:46 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 18 22:15:52 2012. Just doin' my part, yo ... :)
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 22:39:58 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 18 22:08:38 2012. And away we go! Let the games begin- for a second time! I have to log out and discuss this with my shrink, Dr. Jack Daniels! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 18 22:46:03 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 22:04:08 2012. Or perhaps it was being used for the LIRR tunnel being built under Atlantic avenue at the time..with steel shortage in full swing,a powers that be could've decided which project would receive TOP priority..with the other placed on the back burner until the war effort was over. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 18 22:46:43 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 22:39:58 2012. Hey! That's MY shrink! Skoal! :) |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 23:01:01 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 18 22:46:03 2012. Perhaps.... believe this will remain a mystery forever. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 18 23:34:31 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 18 18:35:26 2012. I always found that interesting myself. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 18 23:35:45 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 20:48:22 2012. By the time the 1950s rolled around, they perhaps decided to place it on more block over. The tower boards at Euclid Avenue and Pitkin Yard refer to the station as 76 Street. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 23:42:35 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 18 23:34:31 2012. That was, I believe, the "City Line" between Brooklyn and Queens, and perhaps the lines hadn't received permission as yet to extend into Queens. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 18 23:46:41 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 23:42:35 2012. Ahhh. IIRC, the "Jamaica" Line originally terminated after turning north at a station called City Line.... |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jun 19 05:35:16 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 23:42:35 2012. Crescent St. was never the line between Brooklyn and Queens. The actual line can be seen on the map, a bit east of there. Possibly it was seen as the last street wide enough to carry an el west of the county (then City) line, or otherwise "major" enough to reasonably do so. But why turn there if they were waiting for permission to enter Queens? To show Queens politicians that they were serious about building in a different direction if permission was not soon forthcoming? Or perhaps one line simply followed the other in order to maintain a fairly constant distance between the two? |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 05:52:29 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 23:01:01 2012. This could be solved if we had any horse sense. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 06:06:33 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jun 19 05:35:16 2012. The Broadway Line went up Fulton to gather a larger walking-distance clientele than if it had gone up Jamaica Ave., other considerations notwithstanding. It jogged over at Crescent for the entrance to the cemetery (in the days when cemetery were a Sunday destination) and to connect with cars to Jamaica.I don't know why the Fulton Line jogs at the same street, but an educated guessis that it took advantage of the end of the Broadway Line to tap into part of its territory and probably make connections to a more developed (for the time) part of Queens and to make connections further east. Remember that Broadway and Fulton were built and run by competitive companies. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 07:04:56 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 21:44:01 2012. That's interesting, though. Remember the Fulton L didn't have a stop at Broadway Junction after the ENY Loop closed. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 07:08:52 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 18 22:26:28 2012. Darn! I spent all that time digging at the intersection of 76th and Pitkin, risking getting hit by cars, exploding gas mains, NYPD, Homeland Security, angry neighbors and biting dogs, and I should have been digging a block away! |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jun 19 07:43:55 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 07:08:52 2012. Now you can move on to 106th Street or the Aqueduct Race Track with your pick and shovel.... |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 19 08:12:01 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by aaron on Mon Jun 18 20:19:50 2012. But the map says "75"!! |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 09:02:04 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jun 19 07:43:55 2012. Pick and shovel is soooo last Tuesday. If they have a Rent-All nearby, I'm going for a Payloader. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jun 19 10:24:25 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 09:02:04 2012. Good man! Now all you need is a uniform and a phony badge to hang around your neck. The racetrack requires ID. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jun 19 10:30:52 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 21:52:30 2012. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Jun 19 11:45:06 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 19 08:12:01 2012. yes,& both model boards[pitkin yd.tower&euclid tower say to 76st] |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 19 11:45:20 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jun 19 10:30:52 2012. Pick you pick and head for the Aqueduct stables! LOL! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 19 11:46:26 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Jun 19 11:45:06 2012. This is like the movie, "Groundhog Day". |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Jun 19 12:07:26 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 19 11:46:26 2012. roll out the barrel! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 19 12:29:29 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 18 22:39:58 2012. Feh. Dr. Jim Beame is the superior psychologist. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 19 12:40:11 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Jun 19 12:07:26 2012. Ned Ryerson?? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 19 14:00:27 2012, in response to IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jun 18 18:25:40 2012. Well, they got it right up to Euclid Ave (which was significantly built by then, anyway)...The 1943 opening dates..not so much!!!And 75th Street and beyond...Buzz Lightyear is probably wating at 76th & Pitkin... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 19 14:26:03 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 22:04:08 2012. Who owned Aqueduct, in the late 1930's? perhaps they built a station or station shell in anticipation of this never-built Pitkin Ave subway! |
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